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Will E Worm
2011-11-24, 17:58
'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

A west Georgia business owner is stirring up controversy with signs he posted on his company's trucks, for all to see as the trucks roll up and down roads, highways and interstates:

"New Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone."

"Can't afford it," explained the employer, Bill Looman, Tuesday evening. "I've got people that I want to hire now, but I just can't afford it. And I don't foresee that I'll be able to afford it unless some things change in D.C."

Article (http://www.11alive.com/news/article/214228/3/Company-Policy-We-are-not-hiring-until-Obama-is-gone)

:clap:

pool_hustler
2011-11-24, 18:42
:1orglaugh

The federal deficit increased by 6.6 trillion dollars under George Bush.
We were pissing away over 9 billion dollars a month in Iraq thanks to Bush's baseless pre-emptive invasion of a sovereign nation.
The unemployment rate was in freefall when Bush left office. That momentum continued for some months until it bottomed out at over 10.
But yeah you're right Mr. Looman, our problems are all Obama's fault :1orglaugh

StanScratch
2011-11-24, 18:50
Since Looman has decided to boycott hiring anyone while Obama is in office, then I think it would be a good idea to boycott Looman's trucking company. Besides, I thought the right was all about personal fiscal responsibility - if the guy doesn't have enough to hire anyone, it's his fault, not someone hundreds of miles away.

ragincaucasian
2011-11-24, 18:54
what do you think will happen to your body if you only treat immediate symptoms and not acute care?

Mayhem
2011-11-24, 19:02
If we were truly a socialist utopia, it would be against the law for idiots to own trucking companies.

E-Ann-Hilden
2011-11-24, 22:21
I work in the trucking industry and this has been the biggest growth in 5 years. There is shortage of drivers, simple as that. If he cant grow, he just being beat by the competition! On the other point rates are just flat due to rising costs that cannot be passed on.

ralph furley
2011-11-25, 04:24
taxes are lower than they've been since WW2 so what is this idiot complaining about?

PirateKing
2011-11-25, 05:52
Article (http://www.11alive.com/news/article/214228/3/Company-Policy-We-are-not-hiring-until-Obama-is-gone)

:clap:
Why do you applaud idiocy? This is just a lame excuse for a guy who doesn't know how to run a business.

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 10:24
I find it interesting how most in this thread bash the owner of the trucking company, yet these same people in this thread admire and applaud the Occupiers for protesting and refusing to work.

:dunno:

lurkingdirk
2011-11-25, 10:29
I find it interesting how most in this thread bash the owner of the trucking company, yet these same people in this thread admire and applaud the Occupiers for protesting and refusing to work.

:dunno:

Most o f the Occupiers have jobs, and go to said jobs.

What this guy is saying makes no sense at all. Essentially he's saying that jobs are a problem, and he's going to exacerbate that problem until the politician he doesn't like is voted out. That's just dumb.

I hope he has a lot of employees leave so that he is forced to either: 1. hire new people, even though he said he wouldn't, or 2. go out of business.

Will E Worm
2011-11-25, 11:16
Why do you applaud idiocy? This is just a lame excuse for a guy who doesn't know how to run a business.

He knows what he's doing. ;)


I find it interesting how most in this thread bash the owner of the trucking company, yet these same people in this thread admire and applaud the Occupiers for protesting and refusing to work.

:dunno:

They are simply hypocrites. The "occupy" people are mostly children with no direction and that are unemployed.

They are also destroying property, raping, disease is spreading, and so on.

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 11:23
Why do you applaud idiocy? This is just a lame excuse for a guy who doesn't know how to run a business.
Actually, he sounds to me like he KNOWS how to run a business. Why would he hire more people, when the work he has, can only support the current staff in the company?

If you owned a company, are you going to hire people and have them just stand around all day getting paid to no nothing?

Will E Worm
2011-11-25, 11:33
Actually, he sounds to me like he KNOWS how to run a business. Why would he hire more people, when the work he has, can only support the current staff in the company?

If you owned a company, are you going to hire people and have them just stand around all day getting paid to no nothing?

He does know how to run his business or he would have gone bankrupt by now.

If people are standing or sitting around getting paid to do nothing they are government employees. ;)

PlasmaTwa2
2011-11-25, 11:34
So they aren't going to be hiring till 2016? What the hell kind of business plan is that?

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 11:57
So they aren't going to be hiring till 2016? What the hell kind of business plan is that?
A smart one!

;)

Thunder Bird
2011-11-25, 12:25
Fuck that guy and his signs. I wouldn't hire him to scoop the dog shit off my lawn.

lurkingdirk
2011-11-25, 12:31
The "occupy" people are mostly children with no direction and that are unemployed.

That has been demonstrated to be absolutely false. Thank for continuing to push false information, though.
:hatsoff:

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 12:37
Since Looman has decided to boycott hiring anyone while Obama is in office, then I think it would be a good idea to boycott Looman's trucking company. Besides, I thought the right was all about personal fiscal responsibility - if the guy doesn't have enough to hire anyone, it's his fault, not someone hundreds of miles away.

This is proof you are an idiot.

Will E Worm
2011-11-25, 12:39
That has been demonstrated to be absolutely false. Thank for continuing to push false information, though.
:hatsoff:

Not at all. :tongue:

Rey C.
2011-11-25, 12:40
Whether he knows how to run a business or not is up for debate. But most anyone who has made it through even a year of business school would tell you that it isn't wise to hitch your business to political statements. So whether it's Bush or Obama being criticized, if the actual reason he's not hiring is because demand is down, then he risks alienating some portion of the demand base that's still there by doing foolish things like this. He should have crafted a positive statement and left politics at the door, IMO.

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 12:59
Whether he knows how to run a business or not is up for debate. But most anyone who has made it through even a year of business school would tell you that it isn't wise to hitch your business to political statements. So whether it's Bush or Obama being criticized, if the actual reason he's not hiring is because demand is down, then he risks alienating some portion of the demand base that's still there by doing foolish things like this. He should have crafted a positive statement and left politics at the door, IMO.
You make an excellent point. However, with Obongo's approval rating at an all time low, there aren't that many people that he is going to alienate. I believe most everyone in this country, including all colors of race are pretty much disappointed in Obama and his presidential skills, or lack there of.

lurkingdirk
2011-11-25, 13:00
Not at all. :tongue:

Well argued! :clap:

Will E Worm
2011-11-25, 13:02
Well argued! :clap:

Your comment was easily argued.

Thunder Bird
2011-11-25, 13:02
I believe most everyone in this country, including all colors of race are pretty much disappointed in Obama and his presidential skills, or lack there of.

You probably believe in the tooth fairy, too.

lurkingdirk
2011-11-25, 13:08
Your comment was easily argued.

Except for all the proof that shows the OWS people mostly have jobs. It has been posted elsewhere. However, feel free to ignore the facts in order to perpetuate your absolutely ridiculous worldview.

Rey C.
2011-11-25, 13:25
You make an excellent point. However, with Obongo's approval rating at an all time low, there aren't that many people that he is going to alienate. I believe most everyone in this country, including all colors of race are pretty much disappointed in Obama and his presidential skills, or lack there of.

You're claiming that the risk isn't that great because many people are disappointed in Obama. But with an approval rating of 43% +/- (according to Gallup), you'd admit there is still a risk, yes? So what I'm asking is, what is the reward versus that risk? Why take a risk without a plausible reward? Why am I not building spec houses on some land I just cleared of timber? Because, even with low interest rates, the demand for housing is down in my area and I see no reason to take a gigantic risk for a limited reward. A business, large or small, exists to enhance shareholder value. Spending money on vinyl decals or paint, in order to make a political (not business) statement, is (IMO) a waste of resources. This same amount of money could have been used to fund a positive advertising campaign, which would have alienated NO ONE, and at the same time, possibly brought in more customers. I have no idea what it costs to decal or paint a truck. But to do a race car up right, it costs about $5 grand. So assuming a truck costs something close to that, and let's say this guy has three trucks, he could have had a pretty decent advertising campaign or hired a part-time worker for that $15 grand.

Will E Worm
2011-11-25, 13:33
Tea Party Nation Urges Businesses To Stop Hiring In Order To Hurt Obama Link (http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?553420-Tea-Party-Nation-Urges-Businesses-To-Stop-Hiring-In-Order-To-Hurt-Obama)



Except for all the proof that shows the OWS people mostly have jobs. It has been posted elsewhere. However, feel free to ignore the facts in order to perpetuate your absolutely ridiculous worldview.

:facepalm:

Sam Fisher
2011-11-25, 13:34
Rey, again you make a valid point. However...

WACO, Ga. -- A west Georgia business owner is stirring up controversy with signs he posted on his company's trucks, for all to see as the trucks roll up and down roads, highways and interstates:

"New Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone."

"Can't afford it," explained the employer, Bill Looman, Tuesday evening. "I've got people that I want to hire now, but I just can't afford it. And I don't foresee that I'll be able to afford it unless some things change in D.C."

Looman's company is U.S. Cranes, LLC. He said he put up the signs, and first posted pictures of the signs on his personal Facebook page, six months ago, and he said he received mostly positive reaction from people, "about 20-to-one positive."

But for some reason, one of the photos went viral on the Internet on Monday.

And the reaction has been so intense, pro and con, he's had to have his phones disconnected because of the non-stop calls, and he's had to temporarily shut down his company's website because of all the traffic crashing the system.

Looman made it clear, talking with 11Alive's Jon Shirek, that he is not refusing to hire to make some political point; it's that he doesn't believe he can hire anyone, because of the economy. And he blames the Obama administration.

"The way the economy's running, and the way my business has been hampered by the economy, and the policies of the people in power, I felt that it was necessary to voice my opinion, and predict that I wouldn't be able to do any hiring," he said.

Looman did receive some unexpected attention not long after he put up his signs and Facebook photos. He said someone, and he thinks he knows who it was, reported him to the FBI as a threat to national security. He said the accusation filtered its way through the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and finally the Secret Service. Agents interviewed him.

"The Secret Service left here, they were in a good mood and laughing," Looman said. "I got the feeling they thought it was kind of ridiculous, and a waste of their time."

So Bill Looman is keeping the signs up, and the photos up -- stirring up a lot of debate.

"I just spent 10 years in the Marine Corps protecting the rights of people... the First Amendment, and the Second Amendment and the [rest of the] Bill of Rights," he said. "Lord knows they're calling me at 2 in the morning, all night long, and voicing their opinion. And I respect their right to do that. I'm getting a reaction, a lot of it's negative, now. But a lot of people are waking up."

John_8581
2011-11-25, 13:44
Is this thread a condemnation of the jobs credit that the Obama Administration put through? Because yes, they did not work. :)

georges
2011-11-25, 13:51
You make an excellent point. However, with Obongo's approval rating at an all time low, there aren't that many people that he is going to alienate. I believe most everyone in this country, including all colors of race are pretty much disappointed in Obama and his presidential skills, or lack there of.
He made a lot of bullshit promises that he couldn't and still can't keep. He was also a failure in his own illinois state as a senator so what did you expect

Rey C.
2011-11-25, 14:00
I'm simply making an observation based on the man's own words, and what has happened to his business because of his actions:

And the reaction has been so intense, pro and con, he's had to have his phones disconnected because of the non-stop calls, and he's had to temporarily shut down his company's website because of all the traffic crashing the system.

Now the website is down and the phones are shut off. :facepalm: So while it may not have been his intention to make a political statement, that is what he made. And that statement has had a negative impact on his business, by his own admission. Clearly, this campaign has not enhanced shareholder value and it doesn't appear to have increased demand for his products or services. And since customers can no longer reach him, he has likely put existing customer demand in jeopardy (that was the plausible risk I was referring to). All this has done is create controversy and "noise" for his business - two things that most (successful) businesses try to avoid. This is one reason why every Fortune 500 company I have ever worked with or for has had a strict media policy, which prevented employees from making unapproved statements to the media. Statements to the media or the public need to be measured and carefully considered for unintended consequences. This fellow didn't follow that lesson.

From heavy equipment to small boxes, I've had to have items shipped all over North America. And one thing I won't do is waste my time attempting to get through to someone, who may have good prices, but did something stupid and now his phones and website are down. It's nice that this guy was a Marine and served his country. But it seems to me that he should have probably spent a year or so taking basic business courses before opening this operation.

vodkazvictim
2011-11-25, 20:13
So we see business deciding the leader of the country.

Aria_DeLaunay
2011-11-25, 20:32
Woooow. I honestly don't know what else to say to this right now. I think that intended or not that political statement was a very stupid move on the business owners part. It has COMPLETELY blown up in his face. By the look of things he won't have to hire anyone because he won't even have a business. Due to not being able to even DO business since he's on lockdown!

ralph furley
2011-11-25, 23:48
He knows what he's doing. ;)



They are simply hypocrites. The "occupy" people are mostly children with no direction and that are unemployed.

They are also destroying property, raping, disease is spreading, and so on.the occupyers are not children and the ppl raping or destroying are just a tiny minority. and they are protesting because their unemployed

Rey C.
2011-11-25, 23:56
Woooow. I honestly don't know what else to say to this right now. I think that intended or not that political statement was a very stupid move on the business owners part. It has COMPLETELY blown up in his face. By the look of things he won't have to hire anyone because he won't even have a business. Due to not being able to even DO business since he's on lockdown!

Yeah, you get where I'm coming from. :thumbsup: It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the message. It's about whether a business' message is directly related to the business and/or is going to help the business. In this case, it wasn't related to the (daily) business and it not only didn't help the business, it hurt the business. The technical term for a man who does what this goober did is "dumb ass". I would call him up and tell him that... but he's got no phone now! :rofl2:

zeeblofowl_1969
2011-11-26, 00:05
Another ignorant redneck makes another ignorant statement. Will you fools ever understand that you put George in office therefore you should let the adults make the decisions and stay out of the way.

zeeblofowl_1969
2011-11-28, 17:56
Boycott the midwest Its rumored its full of midwesterners!!!!!!!!

Will E Worm
2011-11-28, 18:08
Boycott the midwest Its rumored its full of midwesterners!!!!!!!!


:facepalm:

Aria_DeLaunay
2011-11-28, 18:10
Yeah, you get where I'm coming from. :thumbsup: It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the message. It's about whether a business' message is directly related to the business and/or is going to help the business. In this case, it wasn't related to the (daily) business and it not only didn't help the business, it hurt the business. The technical term for a man who does what this goober did is "dumb ass". I would call him up and tell him that... but he's got no phone now! :rofl2:

Word!

MILF Man
2011-11-29, 06:14
Well done Bill Looman! He understands that B.O. is destroying this country running a deficit more than all the past Presidents combined in his first three years.

Thunder Bird
2011-11-29, 07:35
Reagan/Bush Debt accounts for 93% of the total National Debt. http://reaganbushdebt.org/

Until conservatives get their facts straight they're going to believe any and every lie spewed by the right-wing echo chamber.

StanScratch
2011-11-29, 07:41
Reagan/Bush Debt accounts for 93% of the total National Debt. http://reaganbushdebt.org/

Until conservatives get their facts straight they're going to believe any and every lie spewed by the right-wing echo chamber.


This is why they will never get their facts straight. They keep repeating it enough, and the average Joe is too lazy to look up the facts for themselves.

tynar
2011-11-29, 07:58
This is why they will never get their facts straight. They keep repeating it enough, and the average Joe is too lazy to look up the facts for themselves.

I'm not from the US, but both arguments seem misleading to me.

From what I understand - Rounding the numbers: GWB is "responsible" for about $7T, Reagan for just under $2T and Obama for $4.3T so far in less than 4 years.

Nothing to crow about from either side of the argument.

Thunder Bird
2011-11-29, 08:05
I'm not from the US, but both arguments seem misleading to me.

From what I understand - Rounding the numbers: GWB is "responsible" for about $7T, Reagan for just under $2T and Obama for $4.3T so far in less than 4 years.

Nothing to crow about from either side of the argument.

I've expressed similar sentiments in the past, tynar. Obama debt is reprehensible. You have to look back at who started deficit spending. Ronald Reagan was a proponent of "supply-side" economics. George Herbert Walker Bush aptly called supply-side "voodoo" economics. Once Reagan got those precious tax-cuts for the wealthy the milk was on the floor. Clinton and the GOP congress of the nineties tried to get it under control through compromise. Now, thanks to pissed off Republicans, compromise is a dirty word. So yeah, you can blame both sides but when you look closer it's obvious that the repulicans are the ones most to blame for where we're at. I'm not saying democrats are blameless, I'm just saying let's see those republicans take responsibility for their lions share of fucking the economy up.

larss
2011-11-29, 09:40
Now, I know that Obama is the president, but how much power does he have when the house of representatives has a republican majority.
It seems to me that Obama is stymied whatever he tries to do, and the republicans can turn around and blame Obama even though they are the ones that are blocking any moves to do anything at all with the economy.
No doubt America will vote Republican next year and be back with a president that has no brains. Sarah Palin anyone?

MILF Man
2011-11-30, 06:12
Now, I know that Obama is the president, but how much power does he have when the house of representatives has a republican majority.
It seems to me that Obama is stymied whatever he tries to do, and the republicans can turn around and blame Obama even though they are the ones that are blocking any moves to do anything at all with the economy.
No doubt America will vote Republican next year and be back with a president that has no brains. Sarah Palin anyone?


B.O. had plenty of power when Democrats had the Congress and Senate. And yet they still didn't do anything but fail and drive this country into worse economic state.

And your saying B.O. is smart? That's a complete joke! The guy is a completely fool and dumbass reading his monitor. He wouldn't know what to do without it and would be slaughtered against the non-main stream media.

larss
2011-11-30, 06:54
B.O. had plenty of power when Democrats had the Congress and Senate. And yet they still didn't do anything but fail and drive this country into worse economic state.

And your saying B.O. is smart? That's a complete joke! The guy is a completely fool and dumbass reading his monitor. He wouldn't know what to do without it and would be slaughtered against the non-main stream media.

I never said he was smart, but compared to the previous clown that was voted into office twice, he's a genius.

Whit
2011-11-30, 12:03
I'm not from the US, but both arguments seem misleading to me.

From what I understand - Rounding the numbers: GWB is "responsible" for about $7T, Reagan for just under $2T and Obama for $4.3T so far in less than 4 years.

Nothing to crow about from either side of the argument.

But Obama followed the worst recession we've had, none of them had to follow that loss of revenue, jobs, or a bad world economy he did.

Sam Fisher
2011-11-30, 12:06
I never said he was smart, but compared to the previous clown that was voted into office twice, he's a genius.

Really? Obama can fly jet fighters and land them on aircraft carriers? :dunno:

Rey C.
2011-11-30, 13:37
Really? Obama can fly jet fighters and land them on aircraft carriers? :dunno:

I don't think so. Can W. Bush? :confused:

And besides, what does a particular (unrelated to being POTUS) skill have to do with being intelligent? Bush scored very low on his pilot aptitude tests. He got the flying assignment because Daddy Bush pulled some strings. I would have been more impressed if the man had been able to speak standard English or use basic problem solving methodologies.

Waterline
2011-12-01, 10:14
Ugh - Companies hire as they strategically need people. Nobody is holding off until Obama is out of office.

OWS - Do the protesters have jobs - yes and no. Understandable. There are quite a few of them and we have a 9% or so unemployment rate. Plus your going to get a mix no matter what. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Reformed-Broker/2011/1019/28-percent-of-OWS-protesters-are-over-40
Some of the posting I'm seeing are from people who are seeing only what they want to and are assuming all others are wrong. IMO this is coming from the left and the right. I haven't been to any of the "Occupy" protests and only know what I read, but many of the posts are contrary to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street

Bush - He isn't an idiot, he didn't score low on his IQ test, and he didn't score "low" on his pilot test because a low score is a fail. Sheesh, I don't rank him high on my favorite president list, but why make up all of these lies? He strikes me as ok intelligence, a bit lazy, and at times an under achiever. Not great qualities to be president, but not retarded. From what I read, he was actually a good pilot.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=23318
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

My perspective is that it is interesting how some people who seem to have a political agenda on the right or the left like to try and connect the dots of real facts. Doing so is editorial. Doing so with false information is lying. (If you lie, like I have seen a couple of posters do in this thread, and it can be quickly found out on wikipedia or snopes...well, that just makes you a liar and an idiot IMO)

...and I can post links that speak to Obama being a US citizen too, if you would like. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbYvt9zvoI8

Waterline
2011-12-01, 10:24
I think both parties are to blame here.
Tynar's post is accurate as far as I know. It also shows that the sins of Reagan in terms of debt is much less than Bush and Obama. Keep in
mind that Obama has only been there for 3 years. So, unless he turns spending around, which I don't think he is, then he could take the prize on this one.

The Republicans are clearly being pigheaded. This Anybody But Obama thing is not helping anyone. Blocking legislation for the sake of blocking is a bad strategy, but some of that seems to be hype from the Dems. They were accused of not having alternatives or amendments to the Affordable Healthcare legislation and just looking to block it. In fact, they did, but unless I misread, Obama only listened to those who would agree.

I feel the Republicans do us all a disservice because "The Pledge" doesn't sound bad to me. Don't raise taxes until you figure out a way to cut spending. That is sane thinking. Cut first. This is something Congress always (hyperbole) kicks down the road and doesn't deliver on. Cut first, then raise taxes.

The Republican radicals who just want a hard line on not raising taxes aren't doing anyone a favor including the Republicans.

I've expressed similar sentiments in the past, tynar. Obama debt is reprehensible. You have to look back at who started deficit spending. Ronald Reagan was a proponent of "supply-side" economics. George Herbert Walker Bush aptly called supply-side "voodoo" economics. Once Reagan got those precious tax-cuts for the wealthy the milk was on the floor. Clinton and the GOP congress of the nineties tried to get it under control through compromise. Now, thanks to pissed off Republicans, compromise is a dirty word. So yeah, you can blame both sides but when you look closer it's obvious that the repulicans are the ones most to blame for where we're at. I'm not saying democrats are blameless, I'm just saying let's see those republicans take responsibility for their lions share of fucking the economy up.

larss
2011-12-01, 10:33
Bushisms
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

8Ux3DKxxFoM

Waterline
2011-12-01, 10:37
Bushisms
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

8Ux3DKxxFoM


Very funny!


...but off topic.

Jack Davenport
2011-12-01, 10:41
Bushisms
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

8Ux3DKxxFoM

Yeah, we know Bush is a idiot.

But Obama is brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4

larss
2011-12-01, 10:58
Okay, that just proves it. You Americans are fucked. No matter who you vote for, it'll be a moron.

Rey C.
2011-12-01, 15:47
Ugh - Companies hire as they strategically need people. Nobody is holding off until Obama is out of office.

OWS - Do the protesters have jobs - yes and no. Understandable. There are quite a few of them and we have a 9% or so unemployment rate. Plus your going to get a mix no matter what. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Reformed-Broker/2011/1019/28-percent-of-OWS-protesters-are-over-40
Some of the posting I'm seeing are from people who are seeing only what they want to and are assuming all others are wrong. IMO this is coming from the left and the right. I haven't been to any of the "Occupy" protests and only know what I read, but many of the posts are contrary to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street

Bush - He isn't an idiot, he didn't score low on his IQ test, and he didn't score "low" on his pilot test because a low score is a fail. Sheesh, I don't rank him high on my favorite president list, but why make up all of these lies? He strikes me as ok intelligence, a bit lazy, and at times an under achiever. Not great qualities to be president, but not retarded. From what I read, he was actually a good pilot.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=23318
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

My perspective is that it is interesting how some people who seem to have a political agenda on the right or the left like to try and connect the dots of real facts. Doing so is editorial. Doing so with false information is lying. (If you lie, like I have seen a couple of posters do in this thread, and it can be quickly found out on wikipedia or snopes...well, that just makes you a liar and an idiot IMO)

...and I can post links that speak to Obama being a US citizen too, if you would like. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbYvt9zvoI8


Although "low", being a subjective, doesn't necessarily indicate a test failure (in my world, a 72 would be considered a low score, yet still passing - 71 a fail), I have to admit that yours is a very reasonable, rational post. I don't know what Bush's score was on the pilot's test. And so, yes, I have repeated what might be a myth about his low score (I didn't notice objective data in your links that spoke to his actual score - if it was there, I missed it)... much the same as those who still chatter about Obama's speaking skills away from the teleprompter.

So yes, we sometimes believe what we choose to believe about certain people. Does that make us liars, as you claim? Not necessarily. IMO, only if someone is claiming or repeating something contrary to a proven or known fact is it a lie.
Lie: "The earth is flat."
Opinion: "Bush/Obama is an idiot."

But still, I liked your post. :hatsoff:

brodkill
2011-12-01, 15:50
i'd fucking laugh if all his employees quit at once hahahahahahahahaha

but... it does take money to make money

Rey C.
2011-12-01, 15:56
i'd fucking laugh if all his employees quit at once hahahahahahahahaha

but... it does take money to make money

That kinf of reminds me of a phrase from racing circles.

Question: How does a stupid person make a small fortune in business?
Answer: Start with a LARGE fortune.

brodkill
2011-12-01, 15:57
That kinf of reminds me of a phrase from racing circles.

Question: How does a stupid person make a small fortune in business?
Answer: Start with a LARGE fortune.

racing what

Rey C.
2011-12-02, 04:28
Auto racing. It's actually: "How do you make a small fortune in auto racing?" And the answer is: "Start with a large fortune." Just seemed like it would also apply to stupid people trying to run a business.

Say, I wonder if Jethro (or whatever his name was) got his phone cut back on yet? If not for that darn Obama, I bet this guy would have been THAT close to giving Penske Trucking a run for its money. Yeah, right! :rofl2:

zeeblofowl_1969
2011-12-02, 21:08
Okay, that just proves it. You Americans are fucked. No matter who you vote for, it'll be a moron.

One name. Tony Blair............