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Jagger69
2011-10-04, 12:49
ESPN Drops Hank Williams Jr.'s Monday Night Football Song Over Obama Remarks

By: Courtney Subramanian

Monday was not a good day for Hank Williams Jr.

The country singer, who performs the "are you ready for some football?" lead-in on ESPN's Monday Night Football, has been pulled from the program after comparing President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler in an interview Monday morning.

Williams told Fox News news anchors on Fox & Friends that this summer's golf summit between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner was like "Hitler playing golf with [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu." When asked to elaborate on his analogy, Williams called Obama and Vice President Joe Biden the enemy.

Fox's Gretchen Carlson later pressed him and said, "You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world to describe, I think, the president." Willaims replied, "Well that's true. But I'm telling you like it is."

(MORE: Voices of Monday Night Football: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly)

In response, ESPN dropped the opening song in Monday's broadcast, declaring in a statement on the pregame show, "While Hank Williams Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize he is closely linked to our company through the opening to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result have decided to pull the open from tonight's telecast."

Williams later released a statement, and did not apologize for his political remarks, but instead said he holds strong opinions and his comments were misunderstood.

"My analogy was extreme — but it was to make a point. I was simply trying to explain how stupid it seemed to me — how ludicrous that pairing was," he said. "They don't see eye-to-eye and never will. I have always respected the office of the president."

It is unclear whether the Emmy-winning song "All My Rowdy Friends Are Here on Monday Night," a remix of Williams' 1984 hit "All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over Tonight," will be dropped permanently from the program's introduction.

"Working-class people are hurting — and it doesn't seem like anybody cares," Williams continued in his statement. "When both sides are high-fiving it on the ninth hole when everybody else is without a job - it makes a whole lot of us angry. Something has to change." And apparently, so does our Monday night theme song.

Link is here:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/10/04/espn-drops-hank-williams-jr-s-monday-night-football-song-over-obama-remarks/

busaguy79
2011-10-04, 12:58
Well its messed up what he said but if it was a few years ago and he said the same about W. would he of been dropped??

STDiva
2011-10-04, 13:05
So Obama is like a nazi?? I get that not everybody is going to like him, but comparing him to nazi's is just ridiculous.

busaguy79
2011-10-04, 13:08
So Obama is like a nazi?? I get that not everybody is going to like him, but comparing him to nazi's is just ridiculous.

lol I think Nazi is pretty much the go to word when you are talking about a political figure you are not a fan of

BCT
2011-10-04, 13:13
So Obama is like a nazi?? I get that not everybody is going to like him, but comparing him to nazi's is just ridiculous.

Real talk!

Icewater Jones
2011-10-04, 13:20
lol I think Nazi is pretty much the go to word when you are talking about a political figure you are not a fan of


Real talk!

It just goes to show how uneducated, disinformed, and completely ignorant some folks are. Does Hank Williams have any fucking idea of what the Nazi's and their regime stood and are responsible for?

Danger368
2011-10-04, 13:26
lol I think Nazi is pretty much the go to word when you are talking about a political figure you are not a fan of

It is, and it needs to stop. No one should be compared to Hitler or the nazis unless they're engage in mass murder or proposing acts of genocide. That man and his regime were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents, and to compare someone to them simply because you don't agree with their politics is not only ridiculous, but also disrespectful to the people who suffered and died because of the real nazis. It was wrong when people said it about Bush, and it's wrong now.

All that aside though, I hope they bring the Hank Williams Jr song back to MNF next week, because theres really no other way to start the game properly.

BCT
2011-10-04, 13:27
Last I checked Obama didn't persecute and murder thousands of Jews!

busaguy79
2011-10-04, 13:28
It just goes to show how uneducated, disinformed, and completely ignorant some folks are. Does Hank Williams have any fucking idea of what the Nazi's and their regime stood and are responsible for?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/08/nancys_nazi_shock_did_she_forget_the_bush_years_97 812.html

old article but shows people in the 'left' are just as guilty

Neutron66
2011-10-04, 13:33
We're getting way to fucking sensitive. That and people don't actually read what people say.

He didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He said that Boehner and Obama playing golf together is like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu.

That's an analogy about how polar opposite the two people are. While it may be a dumb analogy...there's nothing wrong with it.

Why don't they just go ahead and make it illegal to even say Hitler's name? That seems where we're headed.

:cool:

Icewater Jones
2011-10-04, 13:46
We're getting way to fucking sensitive. That and people don't actually read what people say.

He didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He said that Boehner and Obama playing golf together is like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu.

That's an analogy about how polar opposite the two people are. While it may be a dumb analogy...there's nothing wrong with it.

Why don't they just go ahead and make it illegal to even say Hitler's name? That seems where we're headed.

:cool:

Yeah, but a major network cannot be associated with you if you make comments of this nature. If you don't need the gig, and don't give a fuck... okay whatever, but this is about making political statements while being associated with a media outlet. You can't make political statements on your regular 9 to 5, and Hank Williams, as old as he is should no better.

Go talk to Gilbert Gottfried about that shit.

Mayhem
2011-10-04, 14:57
ESPN is forgetting how fucking stoopid most football fans are and how very few of them would turn away from Hank, no matter what he said.

"Obama is Hitler."
"Yee-Haww......what?........oh, who gives a fuck.........Yee-Haw!"

Just watch how many inbreds come down on Hanks side on this and start sniping at ESPN.


he is should no better.

And so should you. :nono:

Red-hot
2011-10-04, 15:01
I couldn't believe it when I heard it. Hank out of nowhere with his views on Obama, and his logic is just laughable.

With that said, I'm sure going to miss Hank on Monday Nights.

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 15:14
Bottom line, corporate America, and ESPN is part of the Disney family btw., only cares about their bottom line.....not about right & wrong. Now, in the whole grand scheme of things, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind giving a rat's ass about anything that Bocephus (Hank's nickname) has to say about anything. Clearly black America would be the most offended by Obama being compared to Hitler, so in this case, Disney cares how blacks may take what he said, and a lot of black people go to the Disney parks, watch Disney programming, buy Disney merchandise, and watch ESPN. Plus, you have sponsors who care about their bottom lines as well. So Disney decided to that a proactive stance by acting before the more vocal black activists called for them to act. Plus, from what I have heard, Hank appeared to be under the influence of "something" when he was on Faux and Friends.

Everyone with any sense knows when you compare people to Hitler, you lose any credibility that you might have. I didn't agree with it when people did it with "W," and I don't agree with it now.....and it does seem more pronounced, and used a lot more with Obama for "some reason." (can anyone say racism?) Personally, people got away with it with Bush later in his term because he was wildly unpopular, and who would be offended by it really? So, it wouldn't hurt anyone's bottom line. However, the Dixie Chicks took it on the chin when Natalie Maines said about being ashamed of being from Texas since Bush was from there. Since country music attracts a crowd that could be offended by ripping on the redneck President, the corporate bigwigs went after them. So, it does work both ways. And, before anyone turns to the 1st Amendment.....it ONLY applies to government action.....not private citizens....or in this case corporations.

Bottom line, corporations only care about their bottom line, and rarely, if ever do anything for noble causes. When they do take action, it's solely to protect their bottom line, and the more vast the corporation is (the more genres they are active in), the more likely they will take action. I'm sure ESPN will now take a wait and see approach to any decision about dropping Hank for good, and they will see if it all blows over, or if the story has any legs. If it blows over, as I suspect it will, they will bring Hank back next week. If not, Hank will be gone for good. It's just that simple.:2 cents:

Oh yeah, since those on the right like to rip on liberals for being rich and claiming that they care about the working man......why doesn't Hank just give his fortune away to all of those working class people who are hurting? I kid, but he's just playing to the base that buys his music. For the record, I actually like country music....mainly the "old" stuff, it's just that I also happen to be educated, I can think for myself, and I don't automatically believe anyone is better or lesser than I am based upon the color of their skin. I have found that many stereotype people because of their ethnicity.....I'm a white man....but that's as far as anyone should go with their assumptions....because, as I've said, I'm educated, intelligent, and I can think for myself quite well....thank you very much.

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 15:24
Are we now saying Hank haves no free speech? I don't much like Hank but last I heard he haves ever right to make a fool of him self much like I did to him and if you not happy with what I have said you don't have to read this. Because this is still a free country much you tell people you want porn you like porn and yet the same people will take you right to see porn. So I guess we should shut down Freeones web site right now then. I give Hank his right to free speech and I want my right to free press THANK YOU. THANK YOU FREEONES FOR GIVING ME FREE PRESS.

Neutron66
2011-10-04, 15:27
Clearly black America would be the most offended by Obama being compared to Hitler

Everyone with any sense knows when you compare people to Hitler, you lose any credibility that you might have.

The only thing is...he didn't compare Obama to Hitler.

:cool:

Neutron66
2011-10-04, 15:28
Are we now saying Hank haves no free speech? I don't much like Hank but last I heard he haves ever right to make a fool of him self much like I did to him and if you not happy with what I have said you don't have to read this. Because this is still a free country much you tell people you want porn you like porn and yet the same people will take you right to see porn. So I guess we should shut down Freeones web site right now then. I give Hank his right to free speech and I want my right to free press THANK YOU. THANK YOU FREEONES FOR GIVING ME FREE PRESS.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

Nothing.

:cool:

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 15:29
Are we now saying Hank haves no free speech? I don't much like Hank but last I heard he haves ever right to make a fool of him self much like I did to him and if you not happy with what I have said you don't have to read this. Because this is still a free country much you tell people you want porn you like porn and yet the same people will take you right to see porn. So I guess we should shut down Freeones web site right now then. I give Hank his right to free speech and I want my right to free press THANK YOU. THANK YOU FREEONES FOR GIVING ME FREE PRESS.Dude, read my post above......Constitutional Law 101....the 1st Amendment applies ONLY to GOVERNMENT action.....not the actions of PRIVATE CITIZENS. You have to 1st amendment rights against private people taking actions against you. Furthermore, FreeOnes DOES take action against post that they find objectionable. They delete posts, give infractions, and ban people all the time. You only have a 1st Amendment right against the government trying to muzzle you.....not against ANYBODY doing it. People alway get that confused. :2 cents:


This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

Nothing.

:cool:EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hatsoff:


The only thing is...he didn't compare Obama to Hitler.

:cool:You're totally right there.....I don't get it myself. I saw what he said, and I didn't see is as though he was saying that Obama was like Hitler either. Sadly, Hank didn't do a good job clearing things up and say that he didn't meant that. I took it like saying it was like the KKK and the NAACP playing golf together.....that it wasn't a great mix.

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 15:30
ESPN. :facepalm:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/08/nancys_nazi_shock_did_she_forget_the_bush_years_97 812.html

old article but shows people in the 'left' are just as guilty

Liberals are guilty. :yesyes:


http://s3.postimage.org/2djwgex38/malignant_narcissist.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2djwgex38/) http://s4.postimage.org/1u2vag8h0/obama_dictator.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1u2vag8h0/)

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 15:45
ESPN. :facepalm:




Liberals are guilty. :yesyes:


http://s3.postimage.org/2djwgex38/malignant_narcissist.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2djwgex38/) http://s4.postimage.org/1u2vag8h0/obama_dictator.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1u2vag8h0/)Just like death and taxes, we can always count on the worm to make "insightful & valuable contributions" to the board! ;)

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 15:46
Just like death and taxes, we can always count on the worm to make "insightful & valuable contributions" to the board! ;)

So...true. :yesyes: Taxes not so much. :D

fakieflips86
2011-10-04, 16:03
ESPN. :facepalm:




Liberals are guilty. :yesyes:


http://s3.postimage.org/2djwgex38/malignant_narcissist.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2djwgex38/) http://s4.postimage.org/1u2vag8h0/obama_dictator.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1u2vag8h0/)



You only get credit if you do better than the dumb kid in class, not if you copy him.... :facepalm:

Very childish way of arguing, "well, they did it too".... If something is wrong you don't continue to do it, you learn from other's mistakes and make better choices. Hank Williams Jr isn't about uniting this broken country, so he's a loss cause, and he got what he deserved.

That Monday night football song sucked anyway.

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 16:16
You only get credit if you do better than the dumb kid in class, not if you copy him.... :facepalm:

Very childish way of arguing, "well, they did it too".... If something is wrong you don't continue to do it, you learn from other's mistakes and make better choices. Hank Williams Jr isn't about uniting this broken country, so he's a loss cause, and he got what he deserved.

No, he told the truth. He has freedom of speech.
You could move to Russia or China if you wish.


That Monday night football song sucked anyway.

Says you, but not millions of others. You're opinion is moot.

Dino Velvet
2011-10-04, 16:24
I'm no Obama fan by any stretch but Hank Jr made an ass out of himself. ESPN operates a business that answers to its sponsors and viewers. I hope Hank Jr doesn't start waving a Constitution around talking about the 1st Amendment because it doesn't apply here. ESPN made the smart and safe business move.

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 16:53
No, he told the truth. He has freedom of speech.
You could move to Russia or China if you wish.Dude, if you REALLY believe that....might I suggest a remedial Constitutional Law class? What part of the 1st Amendment only applies to government action do so many people have a difficult time grasping? Hank's 1st Amendment rights were in no way infringed upon......it's just that it does not apply in any way shape or form to what ESPN decided to do. I just wish the truly ignorant would stop using it to argue that you have the right to say anything you want in this country, and there is nothing that can be done about it......that's simply not the case. Like I said, the Constitution applies to government action basically.....and the government didn't do anything about what Hank said.....YOU DON'T FUCKING HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH IN THE UNITED STATES.....what part of that is so hard to understand? :dunno: Don't believe me, go in and tell your boss to suck your ball sack & that you'd rather fuck a smelly donkey before you'd fuck his ugly ass wife, and see what happens. Yeah, freedom of speech my ass....you don't have freedom of speech in all walks of life in the United States....nor does the Constitution afford such. Disney might be huge, but, the last time I checked, it's not a government entity. I hear dumbasses say "did you ever hear of freedom of speech" all the time. It's just that not only have I heard of it, I know when it applies also. Ha ha ha!

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 17:09
Dude, if you REALLY believe that....might I suggest a remedial Constitutional Law class? What part of the 1st Amendment only applies to government action do so many people have a difficult time grasping? Hank's 1st Amendment rights were in no way infringed upon.

Liberals do this all the time and get away with it. There's been a precedent
set. So, his rights were infringed upon. :yesyes:

Abridging the freedom of speech is prohibited.

abridge, deprive of, dispossess of, disseise, divest of, expropriate, limit, restrict, seize, strip, take away, usurp, wrest from

Facetious
2011-10-04, 17:15
So, Sen. John Glenn, Sen. Robert Byrd, and former vice president Al Gore compared the Bush presidency to that of the Third Reich and they weren't reprimanded or scolded. :facepalm: :rolleyes:

meesterperfect
2011-10-04, 17:16
Well its messed up what he said but if it was a few years ago and he said the same about W. would he of been dropped??

No it wasn't messed up it was dead on, and no they wouldnt, they'd have given him a raise instead.


lol I think Nazi is pretty much the go to word when you are talking about a political figure you are not a fan of
Yeah, its fashionable.
What can we expect though the way schools and the media drill the word into our heads from the time of birth.


It just goes to show how uneducated, disinformed, and completely ignorant some folks are. Does Hank Williams have any fucking idea of what the Nazi's and their regime stood and are responsible for?

I don't know, do you?


Last I checked Obama didn't persecute and murder thousands of Jews!

Finally someone uses a more accurate and honest number - thousands.


We're getting way to fucking sensitive. That and people don't actually read what people say.

He didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He said that Boehner and Obama playing golf together is like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu.

No but he used Obama and Hitler in the same sentence.
That's all that matters, what he meant doesn't mean a thing.

Espn is Jewish owned and controlled as is about 90% of what we see in cinema and TV.
They decide what we see and hear.

That's an analogy about how polar opposite the two people are. While it may be a dumb analogy...there's nothing wrong with it.

Why don't they just go ahead and make it illegal to even say Hitler's name? That seems where we're headed.

:cool:
yes, sad but true.



Yeah, but a major network cannot be associated with you if you make comments of this nature. If you don't need the gig, and don't give a fuck... okay whatever, but this is about making political statements while being associated with a media outlet. You can't make political statements on your regular 9 to 5, and Hank Williams, as old as he is should no better.

Go talk to Gilbert Gottfried about that shit.

Yes Ice, fuck the 1st amendment, there are things you can't say today.......depending on your skin color or ethnicity.

Hank broke 2 rules that over ride the 1st. He mentioned Hitler and he spoke bad against Obama.

All he did was compared the 2 as opposites, but pea brains today just hear the word hitler and react like pavlovian dogs because theyve been trained that way.
And he was actually saying that the American people are discouraged with both parties, the entire GOV.
And he's right. But the trained pea brains cant understand that and the Jewish owned media who uses more censorship and mind control than Hitler ever dreamed of as usual exploits it to gain sympathy and train the pea brains even more.
And that is reality as ugly as it is.

Watch it while you can, before utoob bans it.
They last thing they want is for people to make a self formed education opinion.
sN1eOgtzcGo

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 17:20
So, Sen. John Glenn, Sen. Robert Byrd, and former vice president Al Gore compared the Bush presidency to that of the Third Reich and they weren't reprimanded or scolded. :facepalm: :rolleyes:

The liberal elitists know what's best for us. At least that is what they believe.

That is why they are above reproach, and we should not ask questions and just obey. As they also believe. :rolleyes:

Trident1
2011-10-04, 17:27
Would a network have dumped someone who likened Bush to Hitler?

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 17:45
OK fine then you can Stop looking at porn YOU take away any one right to free speech you take away all are rights and by the way thank you for the up date on the law I remember that when you want free press

Facetious
2011-10-04, 17:46
And the winner is......
We're getting way to fucking sensitive. That and people don't actually read what people say.

He didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He said that Boehner and Obama playing golf together is like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu.

That's an analogy about how polar opposite the two people are. While it may be a dumb analogy...there's nothing wrong with it.

Why don't they just go ahead and make it illegal to even say Hitler's name? That seems where we're headed.

:cool: Reps all the way!

:hatsoff: :bowdown:



Would a network have dumped someone who likened Bush to Hitler?

Hell, no, it would have been the highlight comment of the evening. :partysml:

meesterperfect
2011-10-04, 17:52
And the winner is...... Reps all the way!

:hatsoff: :bowdown:




Hell, no, it would have been the highlight comment of the evening. :partysml:

nice edited quote

Facetious
2011-10-04, 18:02
nice edited quote

They were word for word. :dunno:




Last I checked Obama didn't persecute and murder thousands of Jews!


Finally someone uses a more accurate and honest number - thousands.




Meester Amadinejad...denier :tongue: :1orglaugh


j/k

CunningStunts
2011-10-04, 18:06
In the modern age in America, being PC is more important to some people than the 1st Amendment... at least on issues and political stances that THEY deem inappropriate.

And ESPN sucks these days anyway... the government should break up their football deal with ABC as they do other monopolies... when there is lack of competition, quality suffers. :2 cents:

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 18:09
Did I not make it clear I do not like Hank Jr but he is American he have the same right as you and me even if you don't like and we both do not like him now and hank Jr is paying for that and look at the poor who pay more then the rest for the wars we have been in and lets not forget the many dead Americans who lost all they rights because you still have your rights to turn off Hank Jr any time you want. Your discomfort is small next to the mothers and fathers that have to bury they dead son so that some one can be upset at Hank Jr the pain you must feel I am sure is over welling. I guess is Hank Jr had to throw dirt on some one tomb the day you have to do please remember the pain of other before yours then feel fine to blow up at the man that start this war.

meesterperfect
2011-10-04, 18:11
They were word for word. :dunno:





Meester Amadinejad...denier :tongue: :1orglaugh

Oh, another special name created by the media associated with one particular thing .
yes I am and I make no effort to hide it.
Lets not get into that on this thread though.

Mayhem
2011-10-04, 18:13
Would a network have dumped someone who likened Bush to Hitler?

Yes

antanotherthing
2011-10-04, 18:15
I get it. No argument.

I would have ignored it though. His interview wasn't worth much IMO.

Mayhem
2011-10-04, 18:16
Did I not make it clear I do not like Hank Jr but he is American he have the same right as you and me even if you don't like and we both do not like him now and hank Jr is paying for that and look at the poor who pay more then the rest for the wars we have been in and lets not forget the many dead Americans who lost all they rights because you still have your rights to turn off Hank Jr any time you want. Your discomfort is small next to the mothers and fathers that have to bury they dead son so that some one can be upset at Hank Jr the pain you must feel I am sure is over welling. I guess is Hank Jr had to throw dirt on some one tomb the day you have to do please remember the pain of other before yours then feel fine to blow up at the man that start this war.

I'm sorry......could you repeat that? :dunno:

BCT
2011-10-04, 18:17
Well it sure as shit wasn't millions of jews, if that were the case Hitler wiped out a good chunk of Israel.

Jagger69
2011-10-04, 18:22
Way too much misinterpretation of the right to free speech (or by extension, freedom of expression) under the first amendment being railed about here. Jon has it right. As an employer, I can demand certain behaviors and protocols that have nothing to do with the constitution but have everything to do with someone's privilege to remain in my employ. Hank Jr. has no "right" to be employed by ESPN. They therefore have every "right" to give him his walking papers due to his remarks. You'll note that he was not arrested and thrown in jail for it....that would have been a violation of his "rights".

That said, I really don't believe that Bocephus was comparing Obama to Hitler. He was simply pointing out that the difference between Boehner and Obama is just too wide to bridge so he was making an extreme (and very poorly chosen) analogy (up vs. down, in vs. out, high vs. low....etc). Should he have been fired for the remarks? It's not for me to say but I think perhaps a demand for a retraction of the remark and an apology would have been sufficient. Hell, knowing Hank Jr, the execs at ESPN may have offered that to him and he told them to shove it for all I know. :1orglaugh

Lastly, the same thing would have happened if the remark had been made in reference to Bush when he was in office so there's no double-standard going on here. An outcry from the right is just as effective on influencing company policies as one on the left is. At the end of the day, ESPN doesn't care about politics....they just want you to watch and solicit their sponsors.


Well it sure as shit wasn't millions of jews, if that were the case Hitler wiped out a good chunk of Israel.

This subject is not being discussed in this thread. If you want to debate the holocaust, please make a thread about it.

Galactic
2011-10-04, 18:23
Last I checked Obama didn't persecute and murder millions of Jews!

Fixed. And yes Hank has the right to say whatever he wants, just as the network has the right to terminate a contract if they do not approve of what was said.

fakieflips86
2011-10-04, 18:32
The funniest thing about this whole situation is that Harry Williams Jr. brought this shit upon himself. Nobody ever asked him about Obama... he just volunteered that analogy for the hell of it.

This Interview has alot of funny gems.

Harry Williams Jr: "You know, they're the enemy. They're the enemy."

Kilmeade: "Who's the enemy?"

Harry Williams Jr:"Obama! And Biden! Are you kidding? The Three Stooges."


Not only is this man not very bright, he can't count either.

BCT
2011-10-04, 18:44
This subject is not being discussed in this thread. If you want to debate the holocaust, please make a thread about it.

It's not what the main topic is about but it was related and I was just correcting a wrong statistic posted by a previous member, you need to know all the facts before you make a comment like that :dunno:

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 18:49
Look Mayhem you made some very good post I read some of you stuff if you look you see that I post to you stuff. I am in France right now and it is late here my spelling is off sorry My point is this Hank Jr have ever right to make an @zz of him self and he can loose money by doing some thing dumb and in this case he did loose money but my guess is he lost a friend to the wars that we are in and he is mad and he may feel that some one needs to know that he is pain when we as human lost a friend or family to some as dumb as those wars he have the right to cry like a big baby because of the pain he feels even if we don't like what he feels even if he wrong this pain is his and he needs to let it out and so he did. I am not going to he did this in the best way. A man with the money he have could did it better but that maybe when we feel pain we open are big mouth to soon as some folks have here thinking I am wrong to say that Hank Jr have the same right as the rest of us he is first human then he may or may not follow the law. Hank Jr haves a big mouth so what many people he not the last people under stress do dumb stuff so what and what if here is right then it needs to be said and if he is wrong he will be told. Life is never fair but pain is even more unfair I feel his pain even if it is misplaced like the few guys that don't like I understand more then they are will to understand Hank Jr and the one guy will even miss Hank Jr unlike my self.

That one part and the some of the people that don't like what Hank Jr did also want to stop free press this means no porn that down Freeones because it bad for us.

I do 420 and porn because I decide what good for me and I think your a big boy that you have the same right to do what you want. I do not smoke but if you want to smoke and you being told that it bad for your health then by all means smoke. But because it bad for your health do I have the right to stop you from smoking. I say NO even though I do not like standing next to some one that smokes that smoke will not tell me that I cannot eat my 420 and if you try you will hear me a lot like Hank Jr

meesterperfect
2011-10-04, 18:49
The funniest thing about this whole situation is that Harry Williams Jr. brought this shit upon himself. Nobody ever asked him about Obama... he just volunteered that analogy for the hell of it.

This Interview has alot of funny gems.

Harry Williams Jr: "You know, they're the enemy. They're the enemy."

Kilmeade: "Who's the enemy?"

Harry Williams Jr:"Obama! And Biden! Are you kidding? The Three Stooges."


Not only is this man not very bright, he can't count either.

Duh, he was obviously counting Obama twice.
I mean, Hello-o?
Theres suave, smooth talking President Obama with that California smile.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/02/amd_barackobama.jpg
Then there's regular Joe Obama who eats his chicken and his pork and beans just like any other brother.
One leg at a time.
http://www.mofopolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obama-chicken.jpg

ya'llknowwhatI'msayin?
Sho nough.

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 18:53
fakieflips86 you more or right he open his mouth and he lost money so F$#k what.

Hot Mega
2011-10-04, 18:58
Too bad. I hate when some of these people step out of what they're 'good' at to tell us what they think they think.:facepalm:

Dummy!! I liked the MNF intro too..:brick:

:crying: (Fuck! Now I need a Hanky.)

Will E Worm
2011-10-04, 19:01
Jon has it right. As an employer, I can demand certain behaviors and protocols that have nothing to do with the constitution but have everything to do with someone's privilege to remain in my employ.

:1orglaugh... lies... :nono:

Hot Mega
2011-10-04, 19:07
:1orglaugh... lies... :nono:

^^He's right W:cupcake:rm and you know this or you operate in an alternate reality.

An employer may at the threat of firing;

- Make demands of you to submit to chemical screening.
- Make demands of you to cease certain speech.
- Make demands of you to dress a certain way.
- Make demands of you to be somewhere at a certain time.

etc...

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 19:18
Again Galactic 22 your right like I have already said you hank Jr watch him and if you do not like Hank Jr do not watch that is are right as it is his right to put his foot clean down his mouth along as it not my mouth his trying to push it into I do not care what dumb stuff his says and Obama is a big boy too he can defend himself like the rest of have too

Mayhem
2011-10-04, 19:22
Look Mayhem you made some very good post I read some of you stuff if you look you see that I post to you stuff. I am in France right now and it is late here my spelling is off sorry My point is this Hank Jr have ever right to make an @zz of him self and he can loose money by doing some thing dumb and in this case he did loose money but my guess is he lost a friend to the wars that we are in and he is mad and he may feel that some one needs to know that he is pain when we as human lost a friend or family to some as dumb as those wars he have the right to cry like a big baby because of the pain he feels even if we don't like what he feels even if he wrong this pain is his and he needs to let it out and so he did. I am not going to he did this in the best way. A man with the money he have could did it better but that maybe when we feel pain we open are big mouth to soon as some folks have here thinking I am wrong to say that Hank Jr have the same right as the rest of us he is first human then he may or may not follow the law. Hank Jr haves a big mouth so what many people he not the last people under stress do dumb stuff so what and what if here is right then it needs to be said and if he is wrong he will be told. Life is never fair but pain is even more unfair I feel his pain even if it is misplaced like the few guys that don't like I understand more then they are will to understand Hank Jr and the one guy will even miss Hank Jr unlike my self.

That one part and the some of the people that don't like what Hank Jr did also want to stop free press this means no porn that down Freeones because it bad for us.

I do 420 and porn because I decide what good for me and I think your a big boy that you have the same right to do what you want. I do not smoke but if you want to smoke and you being told that it bad for your health then by all means smoke. But because it bad for your health do I have the right to stop you from smoking. I say NO even though I do not like standing next to some one that smokes that smoke will not tell me that I cannot eat my 420 and if you try you will hear me a lot like Hank Jr

After I get done with this, I'm going to rep you for not taking my shit. Well done.

It's not your spelling (which isn't bad anyway) that prompted me, but these run-on sentences. If english isn't your first language, I'll give you a tip. Say what you type out loud. Whenever you pause for a breath, put a period (or at least a comma).

Hank Jr. doesnt need anyones sympathy. The man is a multi-millionaire with more properties than I have underwear. All he has to do is show up to a concert hall and the place sells out in minutes. And (a very relevant point) he has had such a soft gig with his MNF thing for....I don't know how many years. I don't know how much he gets paid for it, but he's had it easy from this alone.

Despite the title of this thread, Hank has not been fired. He has been benched for one game. Maybe he does get fired, but I'm betting against it. Either way, calm down. He is not going on food stamps anytime soon.

This is not a Freedom of Speech issue. It's a one-more-celebrity-trying-to-be-smarter-than-he-is issue. And Hank ain't that smart. He is (in this case) a complete moron for not finding a better way to express himself.

Neutron66
2011-10-04, 19:30
the government should break up their football deal with ABC as they do other monopolies... when there is lack of competition, quality suffers. :2 cents:

How does having one football game a week (that's one game) constitute a monopoly? Both FOX and CBS get multiple games every week. NBC gets one game a week but they get to pick which game they want later in the season.

No monopolies by ABC.

:cool:

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 19:30
Originally Posted by BigCockTony
Last I checked Obama didn't persecute and murder millions of Jews!

If you reread your history Hitler was not know for that but for being very narrow minded a bully the question is Obama narrow minded Ron Paul says he lie. Did Obama lie? Check it out for your self. I will also say I not so sure about Ron Paul at the same time.

feller469
2011-10-04, 19:31
Maybe Hank should take some time off and go climb a mountain

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 19:32
:1orglaugh... lies... :nono:Though Jagger, Mega, and others have handled your misinformed opinion quite nicely, I will leave you with the bane of your existence......A FACT:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, how is it that hard to comprehend those 1st 5 simple words? Like I said, Hank didn't have his 1st Amendment rights to say what was on his mind infringed upon, and Disney didn't have their right to react as they saw fit infringed upon either. As the 1st Amendment goes, everything worked as it is supposed to. And of course, the 14th Amendment of the Constitution extended the 1st Amendment to apply to States action as well.....but it hasn't been extended to the actions of private citizens ordinarily, and this was just another ordinary case where it simply does not apply.

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 19:41
Mayhem sorry and thank you. What is a Rep? If that is good THANK YOU!
But What he said he have a right to say dose he not? To me that free speech.
That is you have the same the right like all Americans. Yes Hank well loose very little but loose some fine with me. Yes he could have done better but that Hank Jr love him or leave him. I never like him so what he don't need me like you said he sells out when he wants to.

Sorry about my run on but that some thing I always done I have try to stop and Thanks

jackwidow420
2011-10-04, 19:48
Jon S. dose this mean I have the right to look at porn? Are you going to tell not to 420?
And what if I want to put my big foot in MY mouth did I need to ask you first? Because I just did it sorry I should have ask you. So I am ASKING can I? Thank you so very much.

Elwood70
2011-10-04, 19:55
It just goes to show how uneducated, disinformed, and completely ignorant some folks are. Does Hank Williams have any fucking idea of what the Nazi's and their regime stood and are responsible for?


As far as I know, Hank Williams never commented publicly about Nazis.


Hank Williams,Jr. however,may or may not have an extensive knowledge of the Nazi regime.


Hank Williams III may or may not give a shit either way.

Dino Velvet
2011-10-04, 19:57
As far as I know, Hank Williams never commented publicly about Nazis.


Hank Williams,Jr. however,may or may not have an extensive knowledge of the Nazi regime.


Hank Williams III may or may not give a shit either way.

Hank III hasn't found out yet. If he smokes enough dope Hank Sr will appear in a vision and fill him in then steal his dope.

meesterperfect
2011-10-04, 21:48
Way too much misinterpretation of the right to free speech (or by extension, freedom of expression) under the first amendment being railed about here. Jon has it right. As an employer, I can demand certain behaviors and protocols that have nothing to do with the constitution but have everything to do with someone's privilege to remain in my employ. Hank Jr. has no "right" to be employed by ESPN. They therefore have every "right" to give him his walking papers due to his remarks. You'll note that he was not arrested and thrown in jail for it....that would have been a violation of his "rights".

That said, I really don't believe that Bocephus was comparing Obama to Hitler. He was simply pointing out that the difference between Boehner and Obama is just too wide to bridge so he was making an extreme (and very poorly chosen) analogy (up vs. down, in vs. out, high vs. low....etc). Should he have been fired for the remarks? It's not for me to say but I think perhaps a demand for a retraction of the remark and an apology would have been sufficient. Hell, knowing Hank Jr, the execs at ESPN may have offered that to him and he told them to shove it for all I know. :1orglaugh

Lastly, the same thing would have happened if the remark had been made in reference to Bush when he was in office so there's no double-standard going on here. An outcry from the right is just as effective on influencing company policies as one on the left is. At the end of the day, ESPN doesn't care about politics....they just want you to watch and solicit their sponsors.



This subject is not being discussed in this thread. If you want to debate the holocaust, please make a thread about it.

Ok Jag.
I got nothing better to do so if you will allow me to address your first paragraph....
Yes you are right, employers have the right to fire people.
But let's be realistic about this particular situation.
Firstly, all he meant by what he said regarding Hitler and the Jewish guy was the equivalent of the phrase "like cats and dogs".
You acknowledge that yourself.
If you watch the video, he was invited to give his political opinion, he didn't just bring it up, he was asked.
Question - Who do you like in the GOP race?
Answer - Nobody.........fair enough right?
No problem there, continue.
He then went on about how Boehner and Obama looked like Hitler and the Jewish guy together meaning cats and dogs and how a lot of people see right through it as a blatant publicity stunt and an insult to our intelligence.
But Uh oh, he used the word Hitler.........no can do. Strike one.
Then he said Obama and Biden are the enemy, a sentiment shared by many.
Oh no, can't criticize Obama.....no can do. Strike 2.
Then he quotes a USA today poll., should be no problem with that.
Then he finished by saying that the 2 parties are more polarized now than ever,meaning against each other with no unity or concern for whats actually best for the country but for their party.
And we both know he's right, as do millions of others.

So which exactly got him fired?
The Hitler statement? No, because it was clear what he meant.
It was the Obama is the enemy statement........You just can't say anything about the guy unless your'e kissing his ass while doing it.
And thats why he lost his job.
No different from if Someone in ancient Rome criticized the ceasar, a Englishman criticized Henry VIII, and Russian criticized Stalin a Cambodian criticized Pol Pot or an Iraqi criticized Hussein.
Is that what this country is come to, can't criticize the leader?
If so its not the country we once knew anymore.

And I do disagree. Bush was compared to Dictators many times, directly too, not like Hanks remark.
By celebrities and major politicians alike........and I can't remember a one of them being disciplined for it.

grower_boy
2011-10-04, 22:06
So ESPN is just like everybody else. They don't allow you to speak your mind.

I wonder if they will force the Steelers to not play Rahard Mendenhall, since he made controversial statements as well.

maildude
2011-10-04, 22:10
I hear Williams' contract was picked up by Fox.

Neutron66
2011-10-04, 22:12
Hank III hasn't found out yet. If he smokes enough dope Hank Sr will appear in a vision and fill him in then steal his dope.

What do you mean Hank III hasn't found out yet? He commented on this shit early this morning.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/04/hank-williams-jr-monday-night-football-son-politics-obama-hitler-fox-news-channel-jello-biafra-green-party-politics/

And his comments were...AWESOME!!!

:cool:

Jon S.
2011-10-04, 22:40
Gotta love Bocephus:


Still, he noted, "Every time the media brings up the tea party, it's painted as racist and extremists -- but there's never a backlash, no outrage to those comparisons. ... Working-class people are hurting -- and it doesn't seem like anybody cares. When both sides are high-fiving it on the ninth hole when everybody else is without a job -- it makes a whole lot of us angry. Something has to change. The policies have to change."

I'm sure that has nothing to do with fighting multiple wars while cutting taxes & having the lowest tax rates on the rich in the past 50 years. Okay now, we keep putting more and more money in the pockets of the rich.....so where the fuck are the jobs? Duhhhhhhhhhh, the rich just keep lining their pockets with their money. What didn't we learn during the failure that was Reaganomics? Trickle down economics do not work.....except by helping make the rich richer.

I like how Hank also tries to stick up for the tea baggers for being called what they really are. Ummmmmmm yeah Hank, don't quit your day job. If it looks & walks like a duck, has webbed feet, feathers, and quacks.....it's a duck. Just because they stopped wearing the robes and hoods doesn't make the tea baggers any less a racist organization. I respect people who are at least honest about their feelingings. If they would just call Obama a ******, because that is what they really mean with all of the Hitler shit and all, they'd at least earn my respect. I would still disagree with them, but at least I'd respect their honesty.

Further, a white man comparing a black man (Obama) to Hitler is a Hell of a lot different than a white person comparing a white man to Hitler (Bush) or even a black man comparing a white man to Hitler (but you rarely saw that with Bush actually). Are there different standards, yes perhaps.....but white America created the environment for the double standards due to the shit we pulled on blacks historically. Anyone with any sense knows the rules.....so when someone fucks up like Bocephus did....they have little or no room to complain when someone calls them on it. It's just that simple. Know the rules and act accordingly, or suffer the consequences like a man. :2 cents:

Now, it's actually the Jewish people who are really calling Hank out, and Hank even apologized for comparing Obama to Hitler......if that's not what he meant, why apologize for doing it? Just sayin'! Even I didn't take it as a direct comparison equating Obama to Hitler on Hank's part......but if that's not what he meant, why not say so....like I said, he's apologizing for comparing Obama to Hitler.....soooooo, that MUST be what he meant. Like I said, just sayin'!

Elwood70
2011-10-04, 23:20
What do you mean Hank III hasn't found out yet? He commented on this shit early this morning.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/04/hank-williams-jr-monday-night-football-son-politics-obama-hitler-fox-news-channel-jello-biafra-green-party-politics/

And his comments were...AWESOME!!!

:cool:


HA!!!! That's fuckin' awesome!!

sid-sexy
2011-10-04, 23:26
Hank Williams Jr. has 1/100th the talent of his dad and an 82 IQ. He was pandering to his fan base and he made a stupid analogy. MNF used him in their intro to pander to his fan base as well and it bit them in the ass. They'll all move on.

meesterperfect
2011-10-05, 01:40
Hank Williams Jr. has 1/100th the talent of his dad and an 82 IQ. He was pandering to his fan base and he made a stupid analogy. MNF used him in their intro to pander to his fan base as well and it bit them in the ass. They'll all move on.

People like you just can't get past the word hitler can you?
Trained to respond a certain way regardless of the meaning or context.
He meant it as in terms of "cats and dogs".
Meaning Adolph hitler and the jewish guy will never get along just like cats and dogs won't.
Surely even a child can understand that.

As far as PMSPN pandering to his base?
Yeah maybe, thats called marketing.
At the time he was hired his words represented good old fashioned customs such as watching a football game.
But due to the fact that thanks to the media and education system in the country drilling the civil war, the south and slavery into our heads more than ever now southern people are fair game to insult at will.
Why? because they were normally conservative with old fashioned values and thats something that is a threat to the liberal controlled media and education system who support the democratic party.
So lets train the kids to hate them.
You can say redneck with no problem, just don't insult any other group, then youre a racist.
More mind control of the pea brains.

So people like you who just respond to a word like a trained dog are the ones being pandered to, Espn pandered to its owners , youre just too far gone to see it.

meesterperfect
2011-10-05, 01:44
Gotta love Bocephus:



I'm sure that has nothing to do with fighting multiple wars while cutting taxes & having the lowest tax rates on the rich in the past 50 years. Okay now, we keep putting more and more money in the pockets of the rich.....so where the fuck are the jobs? Duhhhhhhhhhh, the rich just keep lining their pockets with their money. What didn't we learn during the failure that was Reaganomics? Trickle down economics do not work.....except by helping make the rich richer.

I like how Hank also tries to stick up for the tea baggers for being called what they really are. Ummmmmmm yeah Hank, don't quit your day job. If it looks & walks like a duck, has webbed feet, feathers, and quacks.....it's a duck. Just because they stopped wearing the robes and hoods doesn't make the tea baggers any less a racist organization. I respect people who are at least honest about their feelingings. If they would just call Obama a ******, because that is what they really mean with all of the Hitler shit and all, they'd at least earn my respect. I would still disagree with them, but at least I'd respect their honesty.

Further, a white man comparing a black man (Obama) to Hitler is a Hell of a lot different than a white person comparing a white man to Hitler (Bush) or even a black man comparing a white man to Hitler (but you rarely saw that with Bush actually). Are there different standards, yes perhaps.....but white America created the environment for the double standards due to the shit we pulled on blacks historically. Anyone with any sense knows the rules.....so when someone fucks up like Bocephus did....they have little or no room to complain when someone calls them on it. It's just that simple. Know the rules and act accordingly, or suffer the consequences like a man. :2 cents:

Now, it's actually the Jewish people who are really calling Hank out, and Hank even apologized for comparing Obama to Hitler......if that's not what he meant, why apologize for doing it? Just sayin'! Even I didn't take it as a direct comparison equating Obama to Hitler on Hank's part......but if that's not what he meant, why not say so....like I said, he's apologizing for comparing Obama to Hitler.....soooooo, that MUST be what he meant. Like I said, just sayin'!

Know the rules?
Know the ruless?
Of who can say what about whom?

You condone that?
If so that is disgusting.........and very very racist.

Straight Shooter
2011-10-05, 01:50
Liberals do this all the time and get away with it. There's been a precedent
set. So, his rights were infringed upon. :yesyes:

Abridging the freedom of speech is prohibited.

abridge, deprive of, dispossess of, disseise, divest of, expropriate, limit, restrict, seize, strip, take away, usurp, wrest from


Would a network have dumped someone who likened Bush to Hitler?

Do you remember the controversy with the Dixie Chicks back in 2003? They were blacklisted from radio because the lead singer criticized Bush. Lead singer Natalie Maines said "she was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." There's a double standard. The right likes talking up free speech as long as you agree with them.

Jon S.
2011-10-05, 02:04
Know the rules?
Know the ruless?
Of who can say what about whom?

You condone that?
If so that is disgusting.........and very very racist.I never said I condone that.....because I don't. What's wrong for one person to say, is wrong for everyone to say. Like I already said before, anyone who has to stoop so low as to use the Hitler comparison, is actually saying more about themselves than anything else. However, I am just saying that it is pretty retarded for someone not to realize that the double standard DOES exist.....and then go out and say something fucking stupid that is in violation of the known standards (double as they are), and then act surprised when it blows up in your face. We all know there are double standards in all walks and facets of life.....smart people, and people with any sense adapt to those standards.....dumb people, who lack any sense, shoot off their mouths like Bocephus did....and they are left to suffer the consequences. People who are so fucking stupid that they put their mouths in motion before they put their brains in gear (assuming the actually have any brains), well they get what they deserve in my opinion. That's what I was saying....and I stand behind those words 100%

ThatRedWing
2011-10-05, 04:47
As the guy with the Hank,Jr. emblem as an avatar, I guess I'm required to weigh-in here.
Hank made a very badly thought out analogy but has every right to do so. ESPN has every right to suspend/discipline/fire him for his comments as there is probably a clause in the contract about such situations. I do find it funny how Whoopie and Joy were defending him on The View. I am a fan of his music. That does not mean that he speaks for me politically.

I have never understood the whole celeb/political shill thing. They are entertainers. Entertain me and don't tell me how I should vote. My mechanic does great job with my vehicle but, I'm not going to him for medical advice.

Maybe Hank should have just took his own advice. Ironically, I almost posted part of this in the favorite lyric thread a few days ago.

All the talk shows, you know, geniouses and experts
Looking to lay some blame
Some on the left and some on the right
Playing that controversy game
I'm not in a real cheery mood so I think I'll call them up
And them em, why don't you play some blues
And both sides shut up

But do we just love trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

I am from the old school
Cowboy hat, sure enough
Too damn old to change horses now
Cause I would probably fall off
I'm a little whiskey bent and slowed my roll
And if you ain't real sure about me
Why don't you take it up with Gretchen and Tim'
Rock and Shawn Hannity

But you just love trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

Back off

So some celeb has teed y'all off
Well, I get teed off too
Why didn't you know that you're supposed
To except our point of view
I have learned at the school of hard knocks
Things change quite a bit
Folks get all jacked up
I don't really give a ... darn

I got a little child and a fishing pole
A can of worms and a boat
I'm goin down to the river now
And let all my problems float
Yeah, I've mellowed a lot
And I don't jump into things like I used to
Hey, what'd you say
Why, you son of a gun
Now see what you made me do

I don't want no trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

Stirrin it up

Let the pot simmer (stirrin it up)
Let the dust settle (stirrin it up)
Let's try and get along
And it'll be more better
(Stirrin it, stirrin it, stirrin it up)
(Stirrin it up) sick em, Rush
(Stirrin it up) jump in there, Bill
Stir it up, Shawn
(Stirrin it up)
(Stirrin it up)

PirateKing
2011-10-05, 06:26
Glad ESPN dropped him. It has nothing to do with his Hitler comment, mind you, because I'll agree it was just a shitty analogy. I only say so because his music is fucking terrible, IMO. No offense to any fans here....

jackwidow420
2011-10-05, 07:45
PirateKing you have ever right to say what you feel even if any one else don't agree with you that what I call free speech. I don't agree with ever thing you say but that you say what you want. No offense taking.

jackwidow420
2011-10-05, 07:49
Icecold322 make a good point I like the Chicks before she said that and I still like the Chicks but then I like Chicks no chicks no porn. NO WAY!!!!

Hot Mega
2011-10-05, 09:54
Glad ESPN dropped him. It has nothing to do with his Hitler comment, mind you, because I'll agree it was just a shitty analogy. I only say so because his music is fucking terrible, IMO. No offense to any fans here....

Yeah.

It's quite possible the per se commentary had nothing to do with it.

ESPN could have very well concluded based on is incoherent ramblings and his porous analogy that he was just too fucking stupid to be associated with their network.:dunno:

meesterperfect
2011-10-05, 10:15
I never said I condone that.....because I don't. What's wrong for one person to say, is wrong for everyone to say. Like I already said before, anyone who has to stoop so low as to use the Hitler comparison, is actually saying more about themselves than anything else. However, I am just saying that it is pretty retarded for someone not to realize that the double standard DOES exist.....and then go out and say something fucking stupid that is in violation of the known standards (double as they are), and then act surprised when it blows up in your face. We all know there are double standards in all walks and facets of life.....smart people, and people with any sense adapt to those standards.....dumb people, who lack any sense, shoot off their mouths like Bocephus did....and they are left to suffer the consequences. People who are so fucking stupid that they put their mouths in motion before they put their brains in gear (assuming the actually have any brains), well they get what they deserve in my opinion. That's what I was saying....and I stand behind those words 100%

We agree up until that point.
I wish more people would just disregard the double standard and say what they feel, especially in the USA and Europe.
To have to be afraid what you can and can't say ........well if thats the case isn't that a big chunk of our freedom already gone?
It is.
And its cowardly to think one thing even feel strongly about it but be afraid to speak it.

And for the 10th time in this post, how is it bad or low to use Hitler in a comparison?
Black and white
cowboys and indians
cats and Dogs
rain and shine
apples and oranges
Hitler and that jewish guy who's name I cant spell.

They all have the same meaning. They show extreme difference.
But the word Hitler is taboo? Can't say that oh no.
HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

meesterperfect
2011-10-05, 10:29
Do you remember the controversy with the Dixie Chicks back in 2003? They were blacklisted from radio because the lead singer criticized Bush. Lead singer Natalie Maines said "she was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." There's a double standard. The right likes talking up free speech as long as you agree with them.

What world are you living in?
Bizarro World?
The reason people were pissed at that was not because of the media.
It was because they are a country group and #1 Bush is a Texan and 2# Southern folk normally don't take none too kindly to bad mouthin the USofA.
Plus they said it very soon after the initial invasion of Iraq........

You can't see that people, especially famous people just can't criticize Obamer in public without suffering some negative retaliation?
This Hank Jr incident proves it..........still can't see it?

Man we're as close to a Totalitarian government as we've ever been and this is proof.
Even the citizens cant criticize the man without first being called a racist, then a hater among other things.
And all this coming from a party and class of people who preach Toleration so much it makes me want to puke my balls out through my mouth.
But if you don't agree with them they get angry and mean.
And people like me who see this are not fear mongering because its 100% true.

Jagger69
2011-10-05, 10:29
Ok Jag.
I got nothing better to do so if you will allow me to address your first paragraph....
Yes you are right, employers have the right to fire people.
But let's be realistic about this particular situation.
Firstly, all he meant by what he said regarding Hitler and the Jewish guy was the equivalent of the phrase "like cats and dogs".
You acknowledge that yourself.
If you watch the video, he was invited to give his political opinion, he didn't just bring it up, he was asked.
Question - Who do you like in the GOP race?
Answer - Nobody.........fair enough right?
No problem there, continue.
He then went on about how Boehner and Obama looked like Hitler and the Jewish guy together meaning cats and dogs and how a lot of people see right through it as a blatant publicity stunt and an insult to our intelligence.
But Uh oh, he used the word Hitler.........no can do. Strike one.
Then he said Obama and Biden are the enemy, a sentiment shared by many.
Oh no, can't criticize Obama.....no can do. Strike 2.
Then he quotes a USA today poll., should be no problem with that.
Then he finished by saying that the 2 parties are more polarized now than ever,meaning against each other with no unity or concern for whats actually best for the country but for their party.
And we both know he's right, as do millions of others.

So which exactly got him fired?
The Hitler statement? No, because it was clear what he meant.
It was the Obama is the enemy statement........You just can't say anything about the guy unless your'e kissing his ass while doing it.
And thats why he lost his job.
No different from if Someone in ancient Rome criticized the ceasar, a Englishman criticized Henry VIII, and Russian criticized Stalin a Cambodian criticized Pol Pot or an Iraqi criticized Hussein.
Is that what this country is come to, can't criticize the leader?
If so its not the country we once knew anymore.

And I do disagree. Bush was compared to Dictators many times, directly too, not like Hanks remark.
By celebrities and major politicians alike........and I can't remember a one of them being disciplined for it.

Again, an employer has the discretion to impose their will as it pertains to the behavior of employees without regard to the first amendment. I'm not saying I agree with the firing....I simply agree that it is ESPN's right to fire him if they so desire. It is not uncommon for there to be behavior clauses in contracts so who knows what Bocephus was obligated to say or not say and to whom? If he is being unfairly treated, he can always sue them.

As for your remarks that I placed in bold, an open reference by a British subject that referred to the king as "the enemy" would likely have gotten him a date with the executioner. There's no comparison here....Williams can say whatever he wants to without fear of being arrested, detained or jailed. That's it.

Your other comments about a Bush double-standard....give me a specific example that is congruent with this one and we can discuss. I don't recall one.

Apparently now even Bocephus admits his remarks were "dumb"....

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/04/hank-williams-jr-barack-obama-comments-dumb-apology-monday-night-football/?adid=hero1#.ToxqpnLqKuI

Jagger69
2011-10-05, 10:42
As the guy with the Hank,Jr. emblem as an avatar, I guess I'm required to weigh-in here.
Hank made a very badly thought out analogy but has every right to do so. ESPN has every right to suspend/discipline/fire him for his comments as there is probably a clause in the contract about such situations. I do find it funny how Whoopie and Joy were defending him on The View. I am a fan of his music. That does not mean that he speaks for me politically.

I have never understood the whole celeb/political shill thing. They are entertainers. Entertain me and don't tell me how I should vote. My mechanic does great job with my vehicle but, I'm not going to him for medical advice.

Maybe Hank should have just took his own advice. Ironically, I almost posted part of this in the favorite lyric thread a few days ago.

All the talk shows, you know, geniouses and experts
Looking to lay some blame
Some on the left and some on the right
Playing that controversy game
I'm not in a real cheery mood so I think I'll call them up
And them em, why don't you play some blues
And both sides shut up

But do we just love trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

I am from the old school
Cowboy hat, sure enough
Too damn old to change horses now
Cause I would probably fall off
I'm a little whiskey bent and slowed my roll
And if you ain't real sure about me
Why don't you take it up with Gretchen and Tim'
Rock and Shawn Hannity

But you just love trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

Back off

So some celeb has teed y'all off
Well, I get teed off too
Why didn't you know that you're supposed
To except our point of view
I have learned at the school of hard knocks
Things change quite a bit
Folks get all jacked up
I don't really give a ... darn

I got a little child and a fishing pole
A can of worms and a boat
I'm goin down to the river now
And let all my problems float
Yeah, I've mellowed a lot
And I don't jump into things like I used to
Hey, what'd you say
Why, you son of a gun
Now see what you made me do

I don't want no trouble
Ain't the world got enough
Without y'all stirrin it up

Stirrin it up

Let the pot simmer (stirrin it up)
Let the dust settle (stirrin it up)
Let's try and get along
And it'll be more better
(Stirrin it, stirrin it, stirrin it up)
(Stirrin it up) sick em, Rush
(Stirrin it up) jump in there, Bill
Stir it up, Shawn
(Stirrin it up)
(Stirrin it up)

:goodpost:

Outstanding!! Rep for you....

Mayhem
2011-10-05, 16:24
Man, four pages of discussion over some hick-celebrity shooting his mouth off for 30 seconds. :1orglaugh:rolleyes::facepalm::surprise:

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 17:22
^^He's right W:cupcake:rm and you know this or you operate in an alternate reality.

An employer may at the threat of firing;

- Make demands of you to submit to chemical screening.
- Make demands of you to cease certain speech.
- Make demands of you to dress a certain way.
- Make demands of you to be somewhere at a certain time.

etc...

Within reason. Most do not do that. That is why they are sued and lose. :stir:


Though Jagger, Mega, and others have handled your misinformed opinion quite nicely, I will leave you with the bane of your existence......A FACT:

Lies... :facepalm:



Jon S. dose this mean I have the right to look at porn? Are you going to tell not to 420?
And what if I want to put my big foot in MY mouth did I need to ask you first? Because I just did it sorry I should have ask you. So I am ASKING can I? Thank you so very much.

:1orglaugh He thinks he knows things. He's a liberal who believes he knows what is best for you.
You can ignore Jon, Jackwidow. ;)



Man, four pages of discussion over some hick-celebrity shooting his mouth off for 30 seconds. :1orglaugh:rolleyes::facepalm::surprise:

Please do not use racial slurs.

lurkingdirk
2011-10-05, 17:24
Lies... :facepalm:

:1orglaugh

Mayhem
2011-10-05, 17:28
Please do not use racial slurs.

Where was the racial slur?

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 17:31
Where was the racial slur?

"Hick" :nono:

Mayhem
2011-10-05, 17:33
What race does the term "Hick" signify?

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 17:44
What race does the term "Hick" signify?

Southerners and "whites" in general.

Mayhem
2011-10-05, 17:47
Not to me. My best friend is Mexican and I call him a hick all the time. A hick can be any race or nationality (and I can't believe we're discussing this :facepalm: ).

Moonchild22
2011-10-05, 17:53
His son, Hank Williams III, has said basically that his dad should shut up, that musicians should just play music.
At risk of stepping off topic, I like Hank III's work. Ranges from 'outlaw country' to metal and 'wtf music'.
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Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 17:53
Not to me. My best friend is Mexican and I call him a hick all the time. A hick can be any race or nationality (and I can't believe we're discussing this :facepalm: ).

Really it is just against "whites."

Nothing against you. It's just I am sick of the PC garbage.
Somethings are okay to say and others are not. :facepalm:

nylo
2011-10-05, 17:56
I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here, its frustrating when someone gets canned or penalized for just opening their fucking mouth. They are fucking words, but noooo our pansy society won't allow it

shameful

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 18:05
I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here, its frustrating when someone gets canned or penalized for just opening their fucking mouth. They are fucking words, but noooo our pansy society won't allow it

shameful

:goodpost:

PlumpRump
2011-10-05, 18:08
We're getting way to fucking sensitive. That and people don't actually read what people say.

He didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He said that Boehner and Obama playing golf together is like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu.

That's an analogy about how polar opposite the two people are. While it may be a dumb analogy...there's nothing wrong with it.

Why don't they just go ahead and make it illegal to even say Hitler's name? That seems where we're headed.

:cool:

Exactly.

He could have said Ismail Haniyah (the Prime Minister of Hamas) & Netanyahu (which actually may better represent the two individuals at discussion), or Mao and the Dalai Lama, or Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, or Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell, or Nancy Reagan and a crack cocaine dealer. The point is about the stark contrasts in belief and style of the individuals. It was a simple (if poorly chosen) metaphor, not a likening to.

yes yes yes
2011-10-05, 18:24
Though Jagger, Mega, and others have handled your misinformed opinion quite nicely, I will leave you with the bane of your existence......

:yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:


Again, an employer has the discretion to impose their will as it pertains to the behavior of employees without regard to the first amendment. I'm not saying I agree with the firing....I simply agree that it is ESPN's right to fire him if they so desire. It is not uncommon for there to be behavior clauses in contracts so who knows what Bocephus was obligated to say or not say and to whom? If he is being unfairly treated, he can always sue them.

As for your remarks that I placed in bold, an open reference by a British subject that referred to the king as "the enemy" would likely have gotten him a date with the executioner. There's no comparison here....Williams can say whatever he wants to without fear of being arrested, detained or jailed. That's it.

Your other comments about a Bush double-standard....give me a specific example that is congruent with this one and we can discuss. I don't recall one.

Apparently now even Bocephus admits his remarks were "dumb"....

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/04/hank-williams-jr-barack-obama-comments-dumb-apology-monday-night-football/?adid=hero1#.ToxqpnLqKuI

:goodpost: :goodpost:


:1orglaugh... lies... :nono:


:1orglaugh

No, the worm never lies. :1orglaugh

He just bends and twists (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28300156@N02/3300113398/) the truth until it matches the crazy ideas in his head. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

But for some reason Mr Worm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4LlMJHtx0) :lovecoupl :nannerf1:

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 18:33
No, the worm never lies. :1orglaugh

He just bends and twists (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28300156@N02/3300113398/) the truth until it matches the crazy ideas in his head. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

But for some reason Mr Worm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4LlMJHtx0) :lovecoupl :nannerf1:

You traitor. :nono: I do not twist the truth. :nono:

sid-sexy
2011-10-05, 18:34
People like you just can't get past the word hitler can you?
Trained to respond a certain way regardless of the meaning or context.
He meant it as in terms of "cats and dogs".
Meaning Adolph hitler and the jewish guy will never get along just like cats and dogs won't.
Surely even a child can understand that.

As far as PMSPN pandering to his base?
Yeah maybe, thats called marketing.
At the time he was hired his words represented good old fashioned customs such as watching a football game.
But due to the fact that thanks to the media and education system in the country drilling the civil war, the south and slavery into our heads more than ever now southern people are fair game to insult at will.
Why? because they were normally conservative with old fashioned values and thats something that is a threat to the liberal controlled media and education system who support the democratic party.
So lets train the kids to hate them.
You can say redneck with no problem, just don't insult any other group, then youre a racist.
More mind control of the pea brains.

So people like you who just respond to a word like a trained dog are the ones being pandered to, Espn pandered to its owners , youre just too far gone to see it.

You wrote this entire idiotic diatribe in response to something you either could not read, did not read or read but did not understand. You're only a little less intelligent than Hank. Good for you.

tynar
2011-10-05, 18:37
You wrote this entire idiotic diatribe in response to something you either could not read, did not read or read but did not understand. You're only a little less intelligent than Hank. Good for you. :clap:

Not defending the other post, but ...huh?


Isn't it "you're"?

PirateKing
2011-10-05, 18:47
Really it is just against "whites."

Nothing against you. It's just I am sick of the PC garbage.
Somethings are okay to say and others are not. :facepalm:
If you're sick of PC then why are you making a big deal out of "hick"?

sid-sexy
2011-10-05, 18:48
Not defending the other post, but ...huh?


Isn't it "you're"?

um, that is what it says...?
Anyway, the fact is that Hank said something that the market for pro football did not respond well to. It was stupid and he should have know better... but he didn't because he's, well, stupid. And in the US you can say whatever you like, and you can face the backlash too.
Stupidity is not conservative and it's not an old American value.

yes yes yes
2011-10-05, 19:55
You traitor. :nono:

:1orglaugh

I'm no traitor. :D

In a previous post I said I appreciate reading your posts and presence on the board but I chose not to mention that I very very rarely ever agree with the views in your head (http://thesmuthost.com/viewer.php?file=iiq94wq.gif). :hairpull: :elaugh:

I thought I made it clear it's your sexy body (http://thesmuthost.com/viewer.php?file=4kw1v8l.jpg) I want. :lovecoupl I can feel the love. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:




I do not twist the truth. :nono:

YSDAXGXGiEw

:1orglaugh

Jane Burgess
2011-10-05, 20:04
It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.

Straight Shooter
2011-10-05, 20:08
What world are you living in?
Bizarro World?
The reason people were pissed at that was not because of the media.
It was because they are a country group and #1 Bush is a Texan and 2# Southern folk normally don't take none too kindly to bad mouthin the USofA.
Plus they said it very soon after the initial invasion of Iraq........

You can't see that people, especially famous people just can't criticize Obamer in public without suffering some negative retaliation?
This Hank Jr incident proves it..........still can't see it?

Man we're as close to a Totalitarian government as we've ever been and this is proof.
Even the citizens cant criticize the man without first being called a racist, then a hater among other things.
And all this coming from a party and class of people who preach Toleration so much it makes me want to puke my balls out through my mouth.
But if you don't agree with them they get angry and mean.
And people like me who see this are not fear mongering because its 100% true.

You can criticize Obama you just don't have to throw in names like Hitler, socialist, Muslim, etc. You can say Obama's policies are shit and whatnot, no problem at all with that.

yes yes yes
2011-10-05, 20:17
It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.

Me Tarzan you Jane (http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=5271540&postcount=138). I love it. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

Jagger69
2011-10-05, 21:32
It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.

Not picking on your post in particular Jane but for the umpteenth time in this thread....:facepalm:

This issue is NOT about freedom of speech as it applies to the first amendment. Employers have the discretion to hire, retain and fire employees for violations of company policies over such issues. As has been pointed out here ad nauseum and to no apparent avail for some of us, the tenets of the first amendment apply only to the government, not the private sector.

As 'Mega said earlier, companies can institute a myriad of requirements for their employees that would not be be applicable to the first amendment as it pertains to their choice to either hire, retain or fire said employees. Irrespective of claims made by certain unnamed posters in this thread to the contrary, it is an extremely common practice for employers to require that employees agree to certain specific conditions in order to retain their jobs.

I don't know what else can be said to those of you who still fail to understand this extremely simplistic concept. :dunno:

yes yes yes
2011-10-05, 22:12
I don't know what else can be said to those of you who still fail to understand this extremely simplistic concept. :dunno:

:yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

Master Roshi
2011-10-05, 22:57
Hank was basically saying that the whole system whether its left or right is corrupt and useless which is pretty much the truth at this stage of this political reality show

Neutron66
2011-10-05, 23:11
It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.

Jane, honey...he's still free to say whatever he wants. The police did not kick down his door and drag him off to jail. He's still totally 100% free.

That's what freedom of speech is about. And Hank still has it.

:cool:

Will E Worm
2011-10-05, 23:37
If you're sick of PC then why are you making a big deal out of "hick"?

Someone has to. ;)


:1orglaugh

I'm no traitor. :D

:nono: Start agreeing with me.



It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.

:hatsoff:

Straight Shooter
2011-10-05, 23:48
Not picking on your post in particular Jane but for the umpteenth time in this thread....:facepalm:

This issue is NOT about freedom of speech as it applies to the first amendment. Employers have the discretion to hire, retain and fire employees for violations of company policies over such issues. As has been pointed out here ad nauseum and to no apparent avail for some of us, the tenets of the first amendment apply only to the government, not the private sector.

As 'Mega said earlier, companies can institute a myriad of requirements for their employees that would not be be applicable to the first amendment as it pertains to their choice to either hire, retain or fire said employees. Irrespective of claims made by certain unnamed posters in this thread to the contrary, it is an extremely common practice for employers to require that employees agree to certain specific conditions in order to retain their jobs.

I don't know what else can be said to those of you who still fail to understand this extremely simplistic concept. :dunno:

:clap:

ThatRedWing
2011-10-06, 03:02
The bottom line is, Hank probably doesn't give a shit. It's not like he needs that MNF check in order to survive.

pool_hustler
2011-10-06, 08:16
Exactly.
He could have said Ismail Haniyah (the Prime Minister of Hamas) & Netanyahu (which actually may better represent the two individuals at discussion), or Mao and the Dalai Lama, or Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, or Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell, or Nancy Reagan and a crack cocaine dealer. The point is about the stark contrasts in belief and style of the individuals. It was a simple (if poorly chosen) metaphor, not a likening to.

And yet he almost almost immediately followed his analogy by shouting (literally) that "OBAMAAAAAA" is "the enemy". So it seemed clear he wasn't making some broad, esoteric point about wide discrepancies in philosophy, but rather a comparison of good to evil, with Obama in the evil/Hitler role.

That impression was solidified by this subsequent exchange:

Fox's Gretchen Carlson later pressed him and said, "You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world to describe, I think, the president." Williams replied, "Well that's true. But I'm telling you like it is."

Supafly
2011-10-06, 08:45
That country boy sure likes to play his 'straight-talking' routine.

I would think that making the comparison between the golf game of Boehner and Obama to an imaginary one between Hitler and Netanyahu is really over the top, yet he makes a good point, and he is possibly right.

He just is not a smart public relations guy, and he lost himsoelf a good job and a good opportunity to perform his art.

On the othe hand, the sheer media hype witht this 'Hitler-Picture' is solid gold, too.

Guess his people will love him a lot more in the end

All in all: Well played, I think :2 cents:

LukeEl
2011-10-06, 14:26
It's Hank Williams Jr. being um....Hank Williams Jr....they should get Hank Williams III to do a pyschobilly Monday Night Football Song instead.

max0rz
2011-10-06, 15:37
And yet he almost almost immediately followed his analogy by shouting (literally) that "OBAMAAAAAA" is "the enemy". So it seemed clear he wasn't making some broad, esoteric point about wide discrepancies in philosophy, but rather a comparison of good to evil, with Obama in the evil/Hitler role.

That impression was solidified by this subsequent exchange:

Fox's Gretchen Carlson later pressed him and said, "You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world to describe, I think, the president." Williams replied, "Well that's true. But I'm telling you like it is."hehe, when even Fox of all people (who have been on an anti-Obama tirade the past 3 years) throw you under the bus, you know you're in trouble. :D

meesterperfect
2011-10-06, 16:04
Anybody who doesn't agree with everything he said is a fucking moron.

Sorry, but it's true.

And if you can't speak your feelings, especially when asked, without being punished for it , well this country sucks.

Jagger69
2011-10-06, 17:01
Anybody who doesn't agree with everything he said is a fucking moron.

Sorry, but it's true.

Wow, MP. Well, I certainly don't agree with "everything" he said so....I guess you are calling me a "fucking moron"?

That really hurts my feelings. :crying:

feller469
2011-10-06, 17:06
The problem with Hank's argument is he doesn't go far enough. He has consumed the GOP Kool-aid and quit thinking. the problem in this country is Congress has been bought and paid for. Congress is the enemy. The sooner the masses figure that out, the better off this country will be.

The moron argument is along party lines. The grown up argument centers on which elected officials are voting with the good of the country in mind, not the big contributors.

lurkingdirk
2011-10-06, 17:08
Wow, MP. Well, I certainly don't agree with "everything" he said so....I guess you are calling me a "fucking moron"?

That really hurts my feelings. :crying:

It's okay, I didn't agree with everything he said, either.

I guess we'll have to man up, and endure this name calling somehow...

yes yes yes
2011-10-06, 18:40
It's okay, I didn't agree with everything he said, either.

I guess we'll have to man up, and endure this name calling somehow...

I'm with you guys. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup: I'm a fucking moron. :1orglaugh

I would only be offended if the person calling me a fucking moron was intelligent. :2 cents:

Moving on swiftly, I'm hoping to spend the weekend with a man who can't be a fucking moron according to you know who. That's right WEW. :D




:nono: Start agreeing with me.

First we will have to spend some quality time together :lovecoupl and if you promise to loosen me up with a long all over body tantric massage and hand job anything is possible. :nannerf1: :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

Straight Shooter
2011-10-07, 03:18
It is about free speech. Last I checked we still have it. It is one man's opinion and he has a right to his opinion. I don't like half the stuff I hear idiots saying, but big deal. I just ignore them and move on.


What world are you living in?
Bizarro World?
The reason people were pissed at that was not because of the media.
It was because they are a country group and #1 Bush is a Texan and 2# Southern folk normally don't take none too kindly to bad mouthin the USofA.
Plus they said it very soon after the initial invasion of Iraq........

You can't see that people, especially famous people just can't criticize Obamer in public without suffering some negative retaliation?
This Hank Jr incident proves it..........still can't see it?

Man we're as close to a Totalitarian government as we've ever been and this is proof.
Even the citizens cant criticize the man without first being called a racist, then a hater among other things.
And all this coming from a party and class of people who preach Toleration so much it makes me want to puke my balls out through my mouth.
But if you don't agree with them they get angry and mean.
And people like me who see this are not fear mongering because its 100% true.


I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here, its frustrating when someone gets canned or penalized for just opening their fucking mouth. They are fucking words, but noooo our pansy society won't allow it

shameful

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes freedom of speech in the USA but there are some limitations on this freedom. One being that only the government is prohibited from restricting speech. Private corporations are free to censor speech of their employees. Employees in the public sector-who work for governmental entities-have First Amendment rights in the workplace. Speech is not protected from private sector disciplinary action as we are seeing here with Hank Williams and ESPN.

Will E Worm
2011-10-07, 03:45
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes freedom of speech in the USA but there are some limitations on this freedom. One being that only the government is prohibited from restricting speech. Private corporations are free to censor speech of their employees.

To an extent. Link (http://www.intheworkplace.com/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=15540&columnid=1935)


Even though the First Amendment free speech criteria do not apply to private employers, determine if there is some other interest that governs the employee’s ability top speak freely. The following are some examples:

Is this employee’s speech being restricted or punished because the employee is expressing religious or other beliefs that are different from the employer’s or from co-workers?

Are employees of some religions or national origins allowed to express themselves regarding religion or national origin, but not others?

Is the employee being punished for speaking a different language during lunch or breaks?

Are the employee’s rights to share information protected by some other right, e.g. union regulations under the NLRB or PERC that allow employees to share salary information?
Additionally, determine whether the employer has a duty to restrict the employee’s speech. For example:

Does the employee’s speech violate the anti-harassment or anti-discrimination laws, including local ordinances?

Are other employees using speech or expression to retaliate against an employee for exercising his or her legal rights?

Is the employee entitled to whistleblower protection?
By addressing the above questions, you should begin to develop a sense of whether the employee’s freedom of speech has been violated.

Link (http://library.findlaw.com/2003/sep/30/133065.html)




Shortly before the 2004 presidential election, Lynne Gobbell attracted media attention when her boss, a factory owner, threatened to fire her if she did not remove a political bumper sticker from her car.

But the Gobbell case is only the most noteworthy of the dozens of examples that sociology professor Bruce Barry mentions in his book, "Speechless: The Erosion of Free Expression in the American Workplace" (Berrett-Koehler, 2007). He suggests that they shine a light on a widespread problem. For each example, he says, "there are countless others whose speech is potentially threatened or chilled."

Over-regulation of speech does more than hinder an employee's rights, it can affect a company's bottom line. If staffers watch what they say when they are off the clock, they may be inclined to censor themselves at work, too. Often, in-house observations about what's wrong and suggestions for improvement can be valuable. Despite the fact that business schools for decades have been pushing more-open management styles, many employees still get the message "that you speak up at your peril," says Barry. "Dissent is only welcome in very limited quantities." Is that the most productive approach?

Article (http://www.nydailynews.com/jobs/2008/05/08/2008-05-08_free_speech_at_the_workplace-1.html)

Jon S.
2011-10-07, 04:12
Who the fuck cares anymore? :dunno: Newsflash......people actually tune in to Monday Night Football to see a football game. I know it's quaint and all, but that's a fact. Old Bocephus was expendable. I like some of his music, and I have nothing against him....Hell, he's a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.....so he can't be all bad....ha ha ha!, but I just can't find myself caring about it anymore. Personally I still can't figure out why they brought him over from ABC, and also why they went to the old MNF theme when they moved to ESPN. MNF doesn't need Hank to be successful, and he doesn't need Disney.

I just wish people would stop comparing people to Hitler already.....it just makes you look like an idiot. I mean come on, he was so evil and vile that they just refer to him by his last name, and there is never any confusion. I mean, when was the last time you heard someone say: do you mean Joe or Adolf Hitler? Come on.....Hitler was a unique evil, and he was in a league of his own.

ThatRedWing
2011-10-07, 04:35
OK, cupcake, I know this is useless but what the hell. When this business relationship started there was a contract signed. Both sides had lawyers go over the various clauses in that contract to protect both parties. Generally in these types of contracts there is a "Personal Conduct" clause to protect the employer. In simple terms the clause will state that if you (the employee) embarrass us with your personal conduct then we (the employer) have the right to fire your ass. Once both parties sign the contact, both are bound to it. ESPN damn sure didn't make a move before the lawyers gave them the green light to proceed.

As I have stated, I love Hank, Jr's music. This is not the first time he has made an ass of himself and it damned sure won't be the last. That is who he is and he's not going to change.

yes yes yes
2011-10-07, 06:44
No reply from my WEW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LN5PQNzX9U). :crying:

Well that only leaves me with one option to finally bag my worm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxEGzpg0DM4). :lovecoupl

I'm off to Bangkok and when I return I'll be a super sexy Shemale.

If there is one thing I know for sure it's my Worm loves a shemale (http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2659744&postcount=2). :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :thumbsup:

When it's all done I'll be as hot as Milly Amorim. You won't be able to keep your hot and hairy American hands off me and I can't wait. :angels:

The Worm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&v=wlUSN3_Bg2g) and I will make love on a bed of freshly soiled bibles. :nannerf1::kiss:

Back to topic. Freedom of speech. Don't you just love it. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :1orglaugh

meesterperfect
2011-10-07, 13:08
Wow, MP. Well, I certainly don't agree with "everything" he said so....I guess you are calling me a "fucking moron"?

That really hurts my feelings. :crying:


It's okay, I didn't agree with everything he said, either.

I guess we'll have to man up, and endure this name calling somehow...


What exactly did he say that you didnt agree with?


The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes freedom of speech in the USA but there are some limitations on this freedom. One being that only the government is prohibited from restricting speech. Private corporations are free to censor speech of their employees. Employees in the public sector-who work for governmental entities-have First Amendment rights in the workplace. Speech is not protected from private sector disciplinary action as we are seeing here with Hank Williams and ESPN.

yeah yeah yeah Ice, they fired him because he bad mouthed Obama on national Tv.
Its that simple and we all know it.

And even if he condemned or praised him how the HELL does that have anything to do with him Saying, "Are you ready for some football" before each game?
at least Hank said what he said directly, honestly.
Eisner and his crew also made a statement with the firing.
One of those big businesses that Obama and his ass kissing political buddies as well as the common democrat , not to mention the pea brains are always blaming the shitty economy on as well as everything else was saying, "We are the Media, we are Liberals, We are Democrats, Insult our leader and you will reap our wrath".
These are the same people who shout tolerance and acceptance to no end, condoning the firing of a person who spoke their mind when asked a question.

That's the point we've gotten to in this country, just like most of europe.
Keep your true feelings inside, don't speak out against the Democratic party when they are in power or you will be disciplined.

Scary.

Jagger69
2011-10-07, 14:08
What exactly did he say that you didnt agree with?

Well, you can start with him referring to the president of the United States as "the enemy". Sounds like something an Al-Qaeda operative would say.

Of course, I'm a fucking moron so what do I know? :dunno:

meesterperfect
2011-10-07, 15:18
First of all we both know you're not a Mo-ron.
But why not refer to him as the enemy?
After all, just to use obamar's own speach yesterday as an example.
75% of it was, without using the actual word, calling the republicans the enemy.
He will take no responsibilty. It's all the republicans fault.
He wants to drill that into the minds of the American people in every sentence he speaks.......
Republicans are YOU'RE ENEMY.
He'll say anything to keep himself in that office.




Seriously, he makes me sick, and I do consider him an enemy cause he sure the hell ain't no allie.

And its good that people like Hank speak out, more should because obviously something ain't working and maybe people actually getting pissed and speaking out might help change things.

lurkingdirk
2011-10-07, 15:21
Of course, I'm a fucking moron so what do I know? :dunno:

Phew. I'm glad you said it. I think that might have been a bannable offence, if I had to be the one to say it.

;)

Straight Shooter
2011-10-07, 16:04
What exactly did he say that you didnt agree with?



yeah yeah yeah Ice, they fired him because he bad mouthed Obama on national Tv.
Its that simple and we all know it.

And even if he condemned or praised him how the HELL does that have anything to do with him Saying, "Are you ready for some football" before each game?
at least Hank said what he said directly, honestly.
Eisner and his crew also made a statement with the firing.
One of those big businesses that Obama and his ass kissing political buddies as well as the common democrat , not to mention the pea brains are always blaming the shitty economy on as well as everything else was saying, "We are the Media, we are Liberals, We are Democrats, Insult our leader and you will reap our wrath".
These are the same people who shout tolerance and acceptance to no end, condoning the firing of a person who spoke their mind when asked a question.

That's the point we've gotten to in this country, just like most of europe.
Keep your true feelings inside, don't speak out against the Democratic party when they are in power or you will be disciplined.

Scary.

Yes they did and that is their right as the employer. As Jagger has said for the millionth time, the first amendment only applies to the government not the private sector

Dino Velvet
2011-10-07, 16:46
You can criticize Obama you just don't have to throw in names like Hitler, socialist, Muslim, etc. You can say Obama's policies are shit and whatnot, no problem at all with that.

It's always a bad idea to compare someone to Hitler unless his name is Genghis Khan, Mao Tsé-Tung, or someone else of similar evil.

If Hank Jr took Hank III's advice he'd still have that nice well-paying gig. ESPN had every right to do what they did. You don't have a right to free speech in the workplace. I know since my ass has been fired from several jobs after I told the boss what I truly thought of him. I was in the wrong and I was quickly gone.

meesterperfect
2011-10-07, 18:23
Yes they did and that is their right as the employer. As Jagger has said for the millionth time, the first amendment only applies to the government not the private sector

Ice man, sir, forget the 1st for one chicken pickin minute.
Eisner fired him, or at gave the go ahead to fire him because he criticized Obama.
Can we agree on that at least?
If it wasn't that then what was it?
I'm open to hear any theories from anybody here in this shitty thread.... on this awesome forum.

Straight Shooter
2011-10-07, 21:19
Ice man, sir, forget the 1st for one chicken pickin minute.
Eisner fired him, or at gave the go ahead to fire him because he criticized Obama.
Can we agree on that at least?
If it wasn't that then what was it?
I'm open to hear any theories from anybody here in this shitty thread.... on this awesome forum.

Williams didn't criticize Obama, he attacked him. It's not criticism when you compare the president to Hitler and call him the enemy. Williams said some stupid shit and ESPN did the right thing by parting ways with him because they in no way want to be associated with Williams' remarks. ESPN has the right to decide who it wants to open its broadcasts and they have the right to associate its product with any entertainer it chooses.

Free speech comes with consequences and it seems as if the last couple of years we've lost sight of what the 1st amendment means. It means Williams will not land in jail or have his life taken for calling Obama the enemy. However it does not guarantee that Williams gets to keep his job after voicing his opinion.

CunningStunts
2011-10-07, 21:23
I don't remember hearing anyone on TV or movies getting fired for calling Bush a "Nazi" or even calling for his assassination... the PC double standard seems alive and well in Amerika. :2 cents:

Straight Shooter
2011-10-07, 21:26
I don't remember hearing anyone on TV or movies getting fired for calling Bush a "Nazi" or even calling for his assassination... the PC double standard seems alive and well in Amerika. :2 cents:

Find me the evidence of such a thing happening? Where someone from the private sector(TV,Movies) said such things on national TV?

CunningStunts
2011-10-07, 21:32
Find me the evidence of such a thing happening? Where someone from the private sector(TV,Movies) said such things on national TV?

I remember MANY rallies being held and interviews with "celebrities" who spewed forth vitriolic hatred at Bush during his years, and I do not recall a single "celebrity" being fired over it. Not that I liked Bush either, but the double standard is glaring.

But the bottom line is that it's a private company and they can employ whom they wish, but firing someone over political statements sets a dangerous precedent IMHO. :2 cents:

abrogate
2011-10-07, 22:09
I don't care that he got fired or if he quit. That is pretty much a non issue. A company and an individual parting ways.

The amount of discussion this gets is odd. I heard people call Bush a monkey with no backlash. I don't think that would play out today.

I'm not defending the guy (although I like his MNF intro quite a bit), I don't agree with his politics, and he chose his words poorly. The replay I heard wasn't a comparison of how Obama is like Hitler, it was how to people who are opposites shouldn't be pretending to make nice on the golf course and should get to work.

accountantNOT
2011-10-07, 22:55
I remember MANY rallies being held and interviews with "celebrities" who spewed forth vitriolic hatred at Bush during his years, and I do not recall a single "celebrity" being fired over it. Not that I liked Bush either, but the double standard is glaring.


Please provide a few example of these incidents to make a fair comparision.

Jane Burgess
2011-10-08, 03:30
Not picking on your post in particular Jane but for the umpteenth time in this thread....:facepalm:

This issue is NOT about freedom of speech as it applies to the first amendment. Employers have the discretion to hire, retain and fire employees for violations of company policies over such issues. As has been pointed out here ad nauseum and to no apparent avail for some of us, the tenets of the first amendment apply only to the government, not the private sector.

As 'Mega said earlier, companies can institute a myriad of requirements for their employees that would not be be applicable to the first amendment as it pertains to their choice to either hire, retain or fire said employees. Irrespective of claims made by certain unnamed posters in this thread to the contrary, it is an extremely common practice for employers to require that employees agree to certain specific conditions in order to retain their jobs.

I don't know what else can be said to those of you who still fail to understand this extremely simplistic concept. :dunno:




Not to be mean but it's the NFL. It's not like some of the coaches or players have not had multiple issues with the law. They took Vick back for Gods sake.

I understand the concept but the reason in this case is stupid.

Jane Burgess
2011-10-08, 03:32
I remember MANY rallies being held and interviews with "celebrities" who spewed forth vitriolic hatred at Bush during his years, and I do not recall a single "celebrity" being fired over it. Not that I liked Bush either, but the double standard is glaring.

But the bottom line is that it's a private company and they can employ whom they wish, but firing someone over political statements sets a dangerous precedent IMHO. :2 cents:


Oh yeah that's true. Alec Baldwin said he was moving to Canada and other bullshit. I also don't think he meant Nazi like killing a race. I think he meant Nazi like wanting to control every aspect of our lives.

Jon S.
2011-10-08, 03:57
I think it's funny that they are replacing Hank with former Lions running back Barry Sanders. I figured they would go with a black guy as a symbolic gesture....but I was betting on some hip hop artist. Also, I found it interesting that Bill Maher was one of the guys who had the guts to stick up for Hank. I just don't think Hank did a good job defending himself.....I think he could have legitimately said that what he said was taken out of context.....and the story would have gone away. Hank didn't deny that the way some took his words was not what he meant.

Anyway, simply put, when you compare others to Hitler.....you lose any credibility you have.....I don't care who it is.....NOBODY in modern history is even in Hitler's league.

Whit
2011-10-08, 04:29
Not to be mean but it's the NFL. It's not like some of the coaches or players have not had multiple issues with the law. They took Vick back for Gods sake.

I understand the concept but the reason in this case is stupid.

The NFL didn't fire him, MNF owners did because of the controversy and bad press it caused! But of course the right is so blind in their hatred that they can't see the facts!


Vick was punished and went to prison and lost his job and contract.

Jon S.
2011-10-08, 04:50
The NFL didn't fire him, MNF owners did because of the controversy and bad press it caused! But of course the right is so blind in their hatred that they can't see the facts!


Vick was punished and went to prison and lost his job and contract.

Actually, the biggest difference is the fact that the NFL can get some use out of Michael Vick, and the other players with rap sheets, and they can make money off of them. Hank Williams, Jr. on the other hand is not someone that ESPN needs.....the game is what people tune in for, and that fact made Hank dispensable. As long as a player can produce, there will be an owner who has little/no shame that will hire that player to "give him a 2nd chance....or 3rd & 4th chances in some cases."

You want to see a good example of the double standard....one only have to look at the case of Pete Rose. Yes, that was baseball, but they knew he had a gambling problem, he had been gambling on sports, and he had been gambling on baseball. But, as long as he was a productive player, and he was closing in on the all-time hits record, they turned a blind eye because he put asses in the seats. As soon as he became a manager....he too became expendable, and they lowered the boom on him. That's just how it is....as long as you are productive, and you help win games, and you put asses in the seats.....you're okay, and someone out there will keep on giving you a shot. Like I said, sadly for Hank, he didn't have any leverage......they simply didn't NEED him.

bodie54
2011-10-08, 05:47
You want to see a good example of the double standard....one only have to look at the case of Pete Rose. Yes, that was baseball, but they knew he had a gambling problem, he had been gambling on sports, and he had been gambling on baseball. But, as long as he was a productive player, and he was closing in on the all-time hits record, they turned a blind eye because he put asses in the seats. As soon as he became a manager....he too became expendable, and they lowered the boom on him.

No Jon the scandal didn't break as soon as he became a manager.
Bench managed for 5 years before the "scandal" broke.

Jon S.
2011-10-08, 06:53
No Jon the scandal didn't break as soon as he became a manager.
Bench managed for 5 years before the "scandal" broke.

No, I didn't mean immediately after he became a manager.....I meant that once he DID become a manager, and his playing career was over, that he too became expendable. The fact is that they turned a blind eye to his behavior while he played.....then they started investigating him when he was a manager. Yes, it took some time, but they handled Pete completely differently once his playing days were over. The fact remains that professional sports treats people differently based upon how much money they hope to make off of a particular person. Look at Barry Bonds even, his playing days were wrapping up, but the powers that be in MLB turned a blind eye to what was obvious concerning him and steroids.....simply because he was closing in on Aarons record, and he was putting asses in the seats. No sooner did he have the record, and they threw him under the bus....just as they had McGwire and Sosa before him. They use and tolerate a lot as long as they can make money off of you....that's just the way it is. I'm a Steelers fan and we had a receiver who slapped his estranged gf in a bar.....but he was like the #5 receiver....so they cut him & James Harrison fired a gun in his home in a dispute with his "baby mama" and the Steelers didn't do a thing about that. Why? Because they NEEDED James. Ben Roethlisberger was accused of rape not once, but twice.....and he is a certifiable douchebag.....the Steelers let him get away with his shit....and they releases Santonio Holmes over some marijuana shit. Why? Because Mike Wallace was stepping up to be a great replacement for Santonio.....and they NEEDED Ben. That's just the way professional sports are. The double standard is based upon how much they need someone.....and the Steelers have a reputation (unwarranted and baseless IMHO....and I'm a Steelers fan) for doing "the right thing" compared to most teams in the league.

Jagger69
2011-10-08, 11:02
First of all we both know you're not a Mo-ron.
But why not refer to him as the enemy?
After all, just to use obamar's own speach yesterday as an example.
75% of it was, without using the actual word, calling the republicans the enemy.
He will take no responsibilty. It's all the republicans fault.
He wants to drill that into the minds of the American people in every sentence he speaks.......
Republicans are YOU'RE ENEMY.
He'll say anything to keep himself in that office.

Seriously, he makes me sick, and I do consider him an enemy cause he sure the hell ain't no allie.

And its good that people like Hank speak out, more should because obviously something ain't working and maybe people actually getting pissed and speaking out might help change things.

That's an extreme attitude for sure. You can have serious disagreements philosophically with the president of the United States or with members of congress but that does not make them "the enemy" by any means. And if I'm not a moron for not agreeing with Bocephus, why proclaim that I am to begin with? :dunno:

It's this myopic "the other side are comprised of idiots with no redeeming qualities" attitude that further widens the gap between left and right IMO. Obama makes you sick, you consider him to be "the enemy", etc....how is he any more to blame for the mess we have right now than our conservative brethren in the "just say no and do nothing" republican-controlled House of Representatives? Both sides share responsibility form my perspective but I don't consider either side to be "the enemy" just because I may disagree with their positions on certain issues. Tell me how things would be improved if a republican president was in the White House. What specific answers have the republicans put on the table in the nearly 2 years they have held the majority in the House? Seems to me they are deliberately sabotaging any cooperative efforts to find real answers before the presidential election next year. It is in the best interests of the republican party to keep things as fucked-up as possible to ensure a victory next year rather than to put nation before party to improve things for the American people. If that is true, and I believe it is, it is an inexcusable and self-serving action that is almost beyond comprehension. None of these politicians seem to genuinely care about the average American....on the right or left....just get us re-elected and let's get the white House back no matter the consequences for the average American. These partisan pricks make me sick to my stomach. The established system SUCKS.

You attitude toward Obama seems more like primal rage than well-reasoned opinion. Say whatever you want however. Your one-sided viewpoint seems to be quite popular these days.

Jane Burgess
2011-10-08, 22:34
The NFL didn't fire him, MNF owners did because of the controversy and bad press it caused! But of course the right is so blind in their hatred that they can't see the facts!


Vick was punished and went to prison and lost his job and contract.






Vick deserves more punishment. He should have been banned from the NFL for life. Those dogs he abused that survived are fucked up for life, they will never be normal. I'm sorry but he is a sick fuck. He also isn't sorry. He said they were just dogs. Like that makes it ok. :2 cents:

Jon S.
2011-10-08, 23:03
Vick deserves more punishment. He should have been banned from the NFL for life. Those dogs he abused that survived are fucked up for life, they will never be normal. I'm sorry but he is a sick fuck. He also isn't sorry. He said they were just dogs. Like that makes it ok. :2 cents:I TOTALLY agree that Vick is a sick fuck, and I can't stand him. I didn't like him before the whole abusing dogs issue, but afterwards, I REALLY can't stand him. But, like I said, some douchebag owner sees Vick as someone who can benefit the team, that they can make money off of, and the NFL would be afraid that the NAACP or other like groups would come after them if the league itself banned Vick for life. The Falcons cut his ass loose, but as long as you can play the game at a certain level, you can help a team win, and they can profit off of you.....they will keep on giving you chances. Personally, I never thought Vick was all that great a quarterback anyway, but the Eagles just happened to be the ones to do give him "another chance" this time. That's what hurt Hank.....he doesn't play the game, and ESPN didn't REALLY need him.....thus he had no leverage.

Now, on the other hand, there is Karma.....and it can be a bitch. Vick is getting injured all the time now days.....broken this, broken that, broken the other......so things do have a way of balancing out to some extent.

Straight Shooter
2011-10-08, 23:37
Vick deserves more punishment. He should have been banned from the NFL for life. Those dogs he abused that survived are fucked up for life, they will never be normal. I'm sorry but he is a sick fuck. He also isn't sorry. He said they were just dogs. Like that makes it ok. :2 cents:

I agree what Vick did was wrong, but damn we care more about dogs than people. Donte Stallworth was charged with second degree manslaughter. He killed a man while driving drunk and all he got was 30 days in jail plus community service and house arrest, yet no one talks about him and how he's such a monster and how sick he is.

robot_r0ck
2011-10-09, 00:00
Vick deserves more punishment. He should have been banned from the NFL for life. Those dogs he abused that survived are fucked up for life, they will never be normal. I'm sorry but he is a sick fuck. He also isn't sorry. He said they were just dogs. Like that makes it ok. :2 cents:

100% agree! That little bitch isn't even at least remorseful of what cruel shit he did to those innocent animals. Fuck him!


I agree what Vick did was wrong, but damn we care more about dogs than people. Donte Stallworth was charged with second degree manslaughter. He killed a man while driving drunk and all he got was 30 days in jail plus community service and house arrest, yet no one talks about him and how he's such a monster and how sick he is.

Good point. That fucker should of got prison time. I guess it's because we see dogs and other animals as defenceless... as to humans just being humans.

Jane Burgess
2011-10-09, 00:19
I agree what Vick did was wrong, but damn we care more about dogs than people. Donte Stallworth was charged with second degree manslaughter. He killed a man while driving drunk and all he got was 30 days in jail plus community service and house arrest, yet no one talks about him and how he's such a monster and how sick he is.



In all honesty, I usually like dogs over people. My two dogs are loving, loyal, protective and would never screw me over. That's more than I can say for a lot of humans.

I never understood why he wasn't in prison. He is another sicko that got off easy. Even Burress went to jail for a couple years and he didn't kill anyone.

meesterperfect
2011-10-09, 08:31
Williams didn't criticize Obama, he attacked him. It's not criticism when you compare the president to Hitler and call him the enemy. Williams said some stupid shit and ESPN did the right thing by parting ways with him because they in no way want to be associated with Williams' remarks. ESPN has the right to decide who it wants to open its broadcasts and they have the right to associate its product with any entertainer it chooses.

Free speech comes with consequences and it seems as if the last couple of years we've lost sight of what the 1st amendment means. It means Williams will not land in jail or have his life taken for calling Obama the enemy. However it does not guarantee that Williams gets to keep his job after voicing his opinion.

ok so now its attacked not criticized.
And you just can't get past that word Hitler can you?
I won't bother you anymore about this Ice, I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink.
You just won't admit they fired him because he attacked, insulted, said potty words or however else you want to describe it.
That's a no no in 2011. Come to think of it just like it was a no no to criticize Hitler in Germany in 1936.......how ironic.

And this whole Hitler crap 70 years later, WWII history we've been trained to think since birth.
Remember history is written by the winners.
Just ask Richard III, a bad guy in history. That history was written by Henry Tudor his usurper, a man who killed way more than Richard ever dreamed of.......and his son, ahforgetaboutit.
WWII. Japan attacks Russia, Japan attacks China, Poles slaughter Germans, Germany attacks Poland, russia attacks poland, Germany attacks Russia, France and england attack germany, Germany Attacks France and England, Japan attacks USA, USA attacks Japan and Germany, and they would have attacked Russia after if they had the resources, ect ect ect........all that killing.
But Germany lost, So theyre the Bad Guys.
:drama:

Mayhem
2011-10-28, 20:00
So, OK, I reeeeeeeelly haven't been paying attention. Did they let the hick back onto the football game or what?

Jack Davenport
2011-10-28, 20:18
It's not a matter of ESPN letting him back on. They suspended him and his song for one game and he retaliated by withdrawing the song from the broadcast for the remainder of the season.. He owns the rights to the song. The one thing I don't understand is how the attorneys representing ESPN allowed the song to be used without some sort of licensing agreement. I can't imagine just using the song on a week by week basis. But that appears to be the case.